Equality

[HSong]

My wish is for everyone to have equality in understanding of God.
That is, everyone can come to the knowledge of Universal Salvation, and even more.

I have a feeling where, I feel bad for people who don't have knowledge of God.
Which is why, I imagine in Heaven that God will bring everyone up to speed on what they missed.
Equally knowledgeable in Christianity and God's love, so it's fair.
My own personal belief is that God will give an equal eternal amount of happiness to everyone.
Everyone will be fully satisfied in their own personal way, and no one will miss out on that.

The way I see it, everyone is on their own part of the journey to Christ.
Some people are ahead, who are already believers in this life, others may not even believe in religion at all.
And part of that may be purely chance. It's like the Parable of the Vineyards.
Some people end up working for the whole day, like believers who are saved at the beginning of their lives.
And others who are saved later, like the last hour of the day.
Both will be paid the same wages, purely out of the generosity of the employer, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Matthew 20:1-16 NIV
?But he answered one of them, ?I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn?t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don?t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous??
16 ?So the last will be first, and the first will be last.?

Because there might be some children who died too young or indigenous peoples living
on their own who did not have a chance to witness God's grace through the Bible.

Titus 2:11 NLT "For the grace of God has been revealed, bringing salvation to all people."

 

[disciple Clint]

My wish is for everyone to have equality in understanding of God.
That is, everyone can come to the knowledge of Universal Salvation, and even more.

I have a feeling where, I feel bad for people who don't have knowledge of God.
Which is why, I imagine in Heaven that God will bring everyone up to speed on what they missed.
Equally knowledgeable in Christianity and God's love, so it's fair.
My own personal belief is that God will give an equal eternal amount of happiness to everyone.
Everyone will be fully satisfied in their own personal way, and no one will miss out on that.

The way I see it, everyone is on their own part of the journey to Christ.
Some people are ahead, who are already believers in this life, others may not even believe in religion at all.
And part of that may be purely chance. It's like the Parable of the Vineyards.
Some people end up working for the whole day, like believers who are saved at the beginning of their lives.
And others who are saved later, like the last hour of the day.
Both will be paid the same wages, purely out of the generosity of the employer, the Lord Jesus Christ.



Because there might be some children who died too young or indigenous peoples living
on their own who did not have a chance to witness God's grace through the Bible.

The problem I see with that concept is that sin is so much fun that if there is no incentive to honor God with our obedience, Sin will multiply and we will be surrounded by evil.

 

[Tolworth John]

I imagine in Heaven that God will bring everyone up to speed on what they missed.

Yes on the day of judgement we will all stand before God and recieve either the reward of heaven or the punishment of eternal separation from God.
Matthew 25:31-46
New International Version

The Sheep and the Goats
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

 

[FineLinen]

The problem I see with that concept is that sin is so much fun that if there is no incentive to honor God with our obedience, Sin will multiply and we will be surrounded by evil.

Sin is so far from "so much fun", I cannot find words to express what the loss is for our Father & we to whom the discord has found a base.

No more let sin and sorrow grow!

 

[disciple Clint]

Sin is so far from "so much fun", I cannot find words to express what the loss is for our Father & we to whom the discord has found a base.

No more let sin and sorrow grow!

Please do not misunderstand, I am not in favor of sin but I do believe that people sin because they enjoy it and if there were not repercussions nothing would limit sin.

 

[FineLinen]

Yes on the day of judgement we will all stand before God and recieve either the reward of heaven or the punishment of eternal separation from God.

Matthew 25:46

God's purpose ends where it began, within Him.

 

[FineLinen]

Please do not misunderstand, I am not in favor of sin but I do believe that people sin because they enjoy it and if there were not repercussions nothing would limit sin.

Punishment, or threats of it, cannot limit mankind. There must be total transformation from the inside out.

Two Adams & sin

Adam 1 = "made sinners" = total loss.

Last Adam = "made righteous" = total transformation.

 

[Der Alte]

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Because there might be some children who died too young or indigenous peoples living
on their own who did not have a chance to witness God's grace through the Bible.

If one were to read the Bible in its entirety, rather than only a list of out-of-context UR "proof texts" they might learn that God has already addressed that situation.

Romans 4:15
(15) For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression.
Romans 5:13
(13) for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.
Romans 2:14-15
(14) For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.
(15) They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them​

 

[Der Alte]

Yes on the day of judgement we will all stand before God and recieve either the reward of heaven or the punishment of eternal separation from God.
Matthew 25:31-46
New International Version
The Sheep and the Goats
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

By your leave, if I may add to what you have posted.

EOB Matthew:25:46 When he will answer them, saying: ‘Amen, I tell you: as much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These [ones on the left] will go away into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] punishment, [κόλασις/kolasis] but the righteous into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] life.”​

…..Greek has been the language of the Eastern Greek Orthodox church since its inception, 2000 years ago +/-. Note, the native Greek speaking Eastern Orthodox Greek scholars, translators of the EOB, translated “aionios,” in Matt 25:46, as “eternal,” NOT “age.”
Despite badly informed arguments to the contrary "aionios," which is an adjective, cannot be legitimately translated "age," because "age" is a noun.
Who is better qualified than the team of native Greek speaking scholars, translators of the Eastern Greek Orthodox Bible [EOB], quoted above and below, to know the correct translation of the Greek in the N.T.?
Link to EOB online:
The New Testament ( The Eastern-Greek Orthodox Bible) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
…..The Greek word “kolasis” occurs only twice in the N.T., 1st occurrence Matt 25:46, above, and 2nd occurrence 1 John 4:18., below.

EOB 1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear is connected with punishment.[κόλασις/kolasis] But the one who fears is not yet perfect in love.​

In the EOB the Greek word “kolasis” is translated “punishment” in both Matt 25:46 and 1 John 4:18.
Some badly informed folks claim “kolasis” really means “prune” or “correction.” Sorry, that is impossible both “prune” and “correction” are verbs. “Kolasis” is a noun. Also according to the EOB Greek scholars “kolasis” means “punishment.”
Note: in 1 John 4:18 there is no correction, the one with “kolasis” is not made perfect. Thus “kolasis” does not/cannot mean “correction.”
…..It is understood that modern Greek differs from koine Greek but I am confident that the native Greek speaking EOB scholars, supported by 2000 years +/- of uninterrupted Greek scholarship, are competent enough to know the correct translation of obsolete Greek words which may have changed in meaning or are no longer in use and to translate them correctly. Just as scholars today know the meaning of obsolete English words which occur in the 1611 KJV and can define them correctly.