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<blockquote data-quote="SilverBear" data-source="post: 75765629" data-attributes="member: 390533"><p>i think the first thing Christians need to do is find an appropriate response to the horrific lies the linked article is presenting.</p><p></p><p>Lie #1: "Under the Equality Act, disagreement is considered discrimination." Of course the bill says nothing of the sort. </p><p>Of course the question of those who like to claim it's just disagreement is 'exactly what are you disagreeing with?' You can try asking but you won't get an actual answer from them. </p><p>Do they disagree that LGBT individuals are people? </p><p>Do they disagree that LGBT individuals have the same same rights and legal protections?</p><p>Do they disagree that people shouldn't be fired or denied employment just because they are a member of a minority?</p><p>Do they disagree that people shouldn't be evicted from their homes or denied housing just because they are a member of a minority?</p><p>Do they disagree that LGBT individuals shouldn't have to live in fear of violence against them and their families? </p><p></p><p>I don't know.</p><p></p><p>Lie #2 and 3: ""We can see it would immediately be stripping religious Americans and stripping girls and women of our equal rights,"</p><p>Exactly what rights are being stripped away? well....none</p><p></p><p>Lie #4 "By redefining sex discrimination, the measure would provide for abortion on demand"</p><p>How?</p><p></p><p>Lie #5: "likely end a longstanding prohibition on taxpayer funded abortions"</p><p></p><p>Lie #6: "remove conscience protections for doctors and nurses." </p><p>if medical professionals are refusing to treat people because they are members of a minority then they no conscience and deserve to loose their medical licence. The AMA made it clear when some states tried to pass laws saying medical personal don't have to treat LGBT that such bigoted actions have no place in medicine.</p><p></p><p>Lie #7 and 8: Biological men would be allowed to compete in women's sports effectively obliterating Title IX while girls and women would be forced to share locker rooms and bathrooms in schools and public places.</p></blockquote><p> neither of which are happening</p><p></p><p>Lie #9: ""In Alaska, the city of Anchorage had a law like this and punished a faith-based homeless shelter for battered women and actually forced them to allow biological men who identified as women to sleep and change clothes alongside these women, most of whom were victims of rape and sex trafficking and actually prosecuted (the shelter) under the law, trying to shut down this Christian shelter," </p><p>the Hope Center shelter of Anchorage Alaska was never investigated or threatened with shut down. The Shelter sued the city demanding the right to discriminate.</p><p></p><p>Lie #10: ""If I go to interview in a job and I'm not hired I can sue that employer because I perceive they were thinking I was gay and so they didn't hire me," </p><p>any claims of discrimination must include evidence of that discrimination no matter the minority. Last year multiple cases of such discrimination went all the way to the Supreme Court and yes they all had evidence that the plaintiffs were fired from their jobs because they were LGBT.</p><p></p><p>Lie # 11: Under the bill, Christian beliefs are unlawful. </p><p></p><p>Lie # 12: Churches could be prevented from requiring employees to abide by their biblical beliefs about marriage and differences between men and women. </p><p></p><p>they can't do this now.</p><p></p><p>Lie #13: "Churches are banned from having a dress code,"</p><p>this one is a laugh</p><p></p><p>Lie #14: "having a code of conduct for their employees."</p><p></p><p>Lie #15: " asking in interviews if potential employees share core religious beliefs"</p><p>employers can't ask about your religious beliefs now.</p><p></p><p>Lie # 16""The Equality Act treats people of faith as second-class citizens." expecting someone to treat others with the same dignity and respect they want is not making anyone a second class citizen.</p><p></p><p>Lie #17 "It specifies a certain point of view and it labels it as bigotry," No it labels bigotry as bigotry</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="SilverBear, post: 75765629, member: 390533"] i think the first thing Christians need to do is find an appropriate response to the horrific lies the linked article is presenting. Lie #1: "Under the Equality Act, disagreement is considered discrimination." Of course the bill says nothing of the sort. Of course the question of those who like to claim it's just disagreement is 'exactly what are you disagreeing with?' You can try asking but you won't get an actual answer from them. Do they disagree that LGBT individuals are people? Do they disagree that LGBT individuals have the same same rights and legal protections? Do they disagree that people shouldn't be fired or denied employment just because they are a member of a minority? Do they disagree that people shouldn't be evicted from their homes or denied housing just because they are a member of a minority? Do they disagree that LGBT individuals shouldn't have to live in fear of violence against them and their families? I don't know. Lie #2 and 3: ""We can see it would immediately be stripping religious Americans and stripping girls and women of our equal rights," Exactly what rights are being stripped away? well....none Lie #4 "By redefining sex discrimination, the measure would provide for abortion on demand" How? Lie #5: "likely end a longstanding prohibition on taxpayer funded abortions" Lie #6: "remove conscience protections for doctors and nurses." if medical professionals are refusing to treat people because they are members of a minority then they no conscience and deserve to loose their medical licence. The AMA made it clear when some states tried to pass laws saying medical personal don't have to treat LGBT that such bigoted actions have no place in medicine. Lie #7 and 8: Biological men would be allowed to compete in women's sports effectively obliterating Title IX while girls and women would be forced to share locker rooms and bathrooms in schools and public places.[/quote] neither of which are happening Lie #9: ""In Alaska, the city of Anchorage had a law like this and punished a faith-based homeless shelter for battered women and actually forced them to allow biological men who identified as women to sleep and change clothes alongside these women, most of whom were victims of rape and sex trafficking and actually prosecuted (the shelter) under the law, trying to shut down this Christian shelter," the Hope Center shelter of Anchorage Alaska was never investigated or threatened with shut down. The Shelter sued the city demanding the right to discriminate. Lie #10: ""If I go to interview in a job and I'm not hired I can sue that employer because I perceive they were thinking I was gay and so they didn't hire me," any claims of discrimination must include evidence of that discrimination no matter the minority. Last year multiple cases of such discrimination went all the way to the Supreme Court and yes they all had evidence that the plaintiffs were fired from their jobs because they were LGBT. Lie # 11: Under the bill, Christian beliefs are unlawful. Lie # 12: Churches could be prevented from requiring employees to abide by their biblical beliefs about marriage and differences between men and women. they can't do this now. Lie #13: "Churches are banned from having a dress code," this one is a laugh Lie #14: "having a code of conduct for their employees." Lie #15: " asking in interviews if potential employees share core religious beliefs" employers can't ask about your religious beliefs now. Lie # 16""The Equality Act treats people of faith as second-class citizens." expecting someone to treat others with the same dignity and respect they want is not making anyone a second class citizen. Lie #17 "It specifies a certain point of view and it labels it as bigotry," No it labels bigotry as bigotry [/QUOTE]
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