I thought this article deserved its own thread 
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9818616/page/2/
:o This was just yesterday!!!http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9818616/page/2/
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Epidural Turns Deadly
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~Mrs. A2J~
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Yeah, this is why I didn't want an epidural with my daugter. The risk of things like this weren't worth the pain relief which was guarenteed to end for me.
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Okay so I did have to correct myself, the story is new but this actually happened a couple years ago.... I think its updated because the man is taking the hospital to court. So this baby must be about 3 years old
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Another reason why I am refusing one. That poor man to loose his wife and that baby never to know the mother.
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lin1235
Jana's mommy!
It is really sad... but I'm not convinced that this should mean nobody should take an epidural. The issue, it sounds to me, is not the epidural but a dirty needle, and that could happen in any surgical procedure (including stitching us up after the birth). The most important thing is a clean hospital!
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andiesmama
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lin1235 said:
I totally agree. Quotes from the article:
There's no way it can be definitively proven that the infection was caused by the epidural. She could've gotten the infection numberous other ways.
I don't think this should scare off any woman who feels that an epidural is the right way for her to go as far as pain management is concerned. If anything, the article should be used as an example of ensuring to the best of your ability how sterile the hospital you choose is, and their procedures.
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~Mrs. A2J~
According to your faith will it be done to you
I don't think anyone is saying that the epidural itself was responsible for this woman's death (at least in this case though there are other cases of death). But the article just goes to show that there are very definite risks to epidurals. I know when I was offered the epidural during labor with my daughter I was not informed of the risks when that should have been the time to tell me to help me make an informed decision. Epidurals are just not as risk free as people think they are because they are so routine these days but for me the risks aren't worth it - I'm less likely to die or have other complications from pain than I am from an epidural.
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lin1235
Jana's mommy!
Well, in my case, I have to have a c-section (my husband has a genetic heart condition and if the baby has it, he/she will not survive a normal birth) and if I have to choose between epidural and full anaesthetic I'll definitely choose an epidural. But that's different than for women who can give birth naturally and choose an epidural.
I don't know if I would choose one if I were to give birth naturally - I have honestly never thought about it, because by the time I thought about the reality of having kids I was in a very serious relationship with my husband and I knew that if I ever have his kids it will have to be by c-section.
I agree that there are many risks to an epidural, and maybe someone who has done more research on this could start a thread explaining those in detail - I would be very interested.
I don't know if I would choose one if I were to give birth naturally - I have honestly never thought about it, because by the time I thought about the reality of having kids I was in a very serious relationship with my husband and I knew that if I ever have his kids it will have to be by c-section.
I agree that there are many risks to an epidural, and maybe someone who has done more research on this could start a thread explaining those in detail - I would be very interested.
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While I agree that hospital cleanliness is the big issue here, the fact remains that in normal, healthy labor, an epidural is an elective procedure and any time you are having an additional puncture wound (especially in such a sensitive part of the body) you are introducing more risk of infection, as well as other risks.
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A friend of mine in HS her mother became paralized after they made a mistake during her epidural. It took her 4 years to regain the use of her legs and still now uses a cain for one of them.
Like others have stated before this I had NO idea how risky an epidural can be because they are displayed as a normal everyday kind of thing for a pregnant woman to have.
Any medical procedure that people agree to should come after knowing all the risks.
As for bacteria, hospitals are the easiest places to get sick, not only do they have more bacteria, viruses and germs but they have the stronger harder to kill ones.
Like others have stated before this I had NO idea how risky an epidural can be because they are displayed as a normal everyday kind of thing for a pregnant woman to have.
Any medical procedure that people agree to should come after knowing all the risks.
As for bacteria, hospitals are the easiest places to get sick, not only do they have more bacteria, viruses and germs but they have the stronger harder to kill ones.
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~Mrs. A2J~ said:
Ummm ... not trying to argue here, but the title of this post and the title of the article seems to be blaming it on the epidural.
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andiesmama
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Prissanna said:Ummm ... not trying to argue here, but the title of this post and the title of the article seems to be blaming it on the epidural.
True....just a big scare tactic.
The bottom line is to be as informed as you can be, to be aware of any possible risks, then make the decision that's best for you. Don't rely on articles you read in the paper or online because more often than not, they'll be biased one way or the other.
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I am so glad that I have had all our children without an epidural. I don't like needles and to have them in my spine makes them especially scary for me.
I feel bad for the family to have to raise the child without a mother and not know quite how she got the menengitus. Very sad.
I feel bad for the family to have to raise the child without a mother and not know quite how she got the menengitus. Very sad.
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~Mrs. A2J~
According to your faith will it be done to you
The title of the article is media hype as usual and I'm sure Leanna was just copying that title. But the article does highlight some issues that many women never think about before getting an epidural.Prissanna said:Ummm ... not trying to argue here, but the title of this post and the title of the article seems to be blaming it on the epidural.
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And yes I was just copying the title of the article. I thought it might interest people here. I was not trying to do scare tactics, but since we're now talking epidurals I can tell you about my experience.
I got an epidural. I have to tell you, it was not all that great when I look back and think about what I went through because of the epidural.
1. It slowed my labor down, then they had to give my pitocin. I labored for the first 12 hours without any drugs and the baby probably would have been born about 2 hours after that except for the epidural, causing it to go 6 more hours. The long labor caused me to become even more tired after labor which probably contributed to troubles with breastfeeding because I labored overnight and by the time I left the hospital I had gotten 5 hours of sleep cumulative over 3 nights, the night in labor.
2. With an epidural they force you to lay on your back, contributing to the fact that I had a level 4 tear, also because I pushed through his crowning and gravity says where and how to tear.
3. My baby would not wake to eat, contributing further to breastfeeding problems through his dehydration-- I also read that tired babies is a possible side effect of an epidural.
4. My legs hurt like the devil as they tingled in hours after the birth.... that was not a good feeling at all for a pain management drug
Anyway, I didn't know any better.... I had no idea why not to get an epidural. I hadn't met anyone who did natural before and I didn't understand why someone would choose pain when they could go pain free. Now I know. Speaking of pain, the pain from the tear was terrible, for MONTHS after that.... and yes I think I wouldn't have torn had I not had the epidural. So maybe it would be best to get the pain all out of the way with the labor and hope to goodness not to tear, at least not much...
I got an epidural. I have to tell you, it was not all that great when I look back and think about what I went through because of the epidural.
1. It slowed my labor down, then they had to give my pitocin. I labored for the first 12 hours without any drugs and the baby probably would have been born about 2 hours after that except for the epidural, causing it to go 6 more hours. The long labor caused me to become even more tired after labor which probably contributed to troubles with breastfeeding because I labored overnight and by the time I left the hospital I had gotten 5 hours of sleep cumulative over 3 nights, the night in labor.
2. With an epidural they force you to lay on your back, contributing to the fact that I had a level 4 tear, also because I pushed through his crowning and gravity says where and how to tear.
3. My baby would not wake to eat, contributing further to breastfeeding problems through his dehydration-- I also read that tired babies is a possible side effect of an epidural.
4. My legs hurt like the devil as they tingled in hours after the birth.... that was not a good feeling at all for a pain management drug
Anyway, I didn't know any better.... I had no idea why not to get an epidural. I hadn't met anyone who did natural before and I didn't understand why someone would choose pain when they could go pain free. Now I know. Speaking of pain, the pain from the tear was terrible, for MONTHS after that.... and yes I think I wouldn't have torn had I not had the epidural.
So maybe it would be best to get the pain all out of the way with the labor and hope to goodness not to tear, at least not much...
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