EO view of Origional Sin

Benedicta00 · Dec 31, 2003

Photini said:
Now that I really think of it...maybe a new thread should be started for this. For I am curious to see what the Catholic teaching on the soul is.

I will have to come back to this tomorrow...I'm getting kinda tired.
Here is a good article though....http://www.myriobiblos.gr/texts/english/christou_palamas.html

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09580c.htm

Maybe this will help.

Benedicta00 · Dec 31, 2003

chanter said:
Dear Michelle:
Hope this helps.

Not really.

MariaRegina · Dec 31, 2003

Shelby:

Newadvent has some anti-Orthodox information in its pages that are misstatements.

Ditto: Catholic Answers. These sites should not be presented in our forum as presenting this propaganda can be considered "sheep stealing" which is against the Roman Catholic document signed at Balamand.

Remember you are in the Ancient Way forum.

geocajun · Dec 31, 2003

chanter said:
Catholic theology, as you and Jason have admitted, does develop. Development is change. How else would you explain the Catholic dogma of Papal Infallibility and Papal supremacy. These developed gradually over 1870 years.

Orthodox Theology doesn't change because we believe in the Holy Catholic Faith which was once delivered by Christ to His Apostles for all peoples and all times. This faith is unchanging and does not develop. This is the very meaning of the word "catholic". It may take some thought as to how to properly express our faith, but our Holy Catholic Faith neither changes nor develops.

chanter, this is clearly an issue of terminology. Catholic faith does not change either, but as we grow to understand it better over time, we do change the expression of it. But the deposit of faith does not change.

Now why are you turning this thread into a Catholic vs. EO debate?
I just had a few simple questions and had no inention of debating, but only growing in understanding - however it seems that you cannot participate in a thread with the word Cathlic mentioned it without degrading the Catholic faith and generally trying to pick a fight.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Benedicta00 · Dec 31, 2003

chanter said:
Shelby:

Newadvent has some anti-Orthodox information in its pages that are misstatements.

Ditto: Catholic Answers. These sites should not be presented in our forum as presenting this propaganda can be considered "sheep stealing" which is against the Roman Catholic document signed at Balamand.

Remember you are in the Ancient Way forum.

Let me explain something to you Elizabeth, Phontini ask a question if we had some theology with regards to the creation of the soul and man so I posted her a link. I did not post her any anti Orthodox material. I am sure you are disappointed that we do have theology that compares to Orthodoxy and there is a lot more information on this subject from St. Thomas Aquinas I can link you to as well.

I do not like the way you question my integrity for #1 and for #2 you have got to be kidding me, they way YOU post the way YOU do in OBOB???

I am not the one with an agenda and I really do not need to or care to post here any way I rarely even read anything in this forum. I was only honoring a request.

I am very disappointed in you. You post in OBOB for your own reasons and we have been kind and polite to you and then treat Catholics the way the Protestants treat Catholics in the Protestant room???

Your becoming transparent.

OrthodoxTexan · Dec 31, 2003

A link from St. Tikhons Orthodox Theological Seminary discussing the Orthodox view of ancestral sin.

stots.edu/library/rags.html

Benedicta00 · Dec 31, 2003

OrthodoxTexan said:
A link from St. Tikhons Orthodox Theological Seminary discussing the Orthodox view of ancestral sin.

stots.edu/library/rags.html

OrthodoxTexan,

I would like to check out this link but it doesnt work. I have read some stuff on generational sin and I am undecided about it. Is this something like that?

geocajun · Dec 31, 2003

From what I have gathered, "Ancestral sin" is the EO equivelent of what Catholics call "Original sin"

OrthodoxTexan · Dec 31, 2003

Sorry Shelb5, I had to take out the www in order to get past the link filter. I need to find a cheap post thread to get over this 15 post limit.

Oblio · Dec 31, 2003

Try this:

Rags of Mortality:
Original Sin and Human Nature

Oblio · Dec 31, 2003

OrthodoxTexan said:
Sorry Shelb5, I had to take out the www in order to get past the link filter. I need to find a cheap post thread to get over this 15 post limit.

Come on over to Euphosynos Taberna & Ouzeri

OrthodoxTexan · Dec 31, 2003

Thanks Oblio.

Oblio · Dec 31, 2003

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Folks, please remember that there will be no debating, insulting or accusations allowed in this forum. I would suggest that all review their past posts, reflecting on the example of our Lord and Savior, editing where appropriate and to keep this in mind in future posts (slow to speak and all that ) . Links to heterodox sites are OK if they are in response to a direct question and are not anti-Orthodox in nature or done to prostelytise the Orthodox faithful.

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MariaRegina · Dec 31, 2003

Shelb5 said:
Let me explain something to you Elizabeth, Phontini ask a question if we had some theology with regards to the creation of the soul and man so I posted her a link. I did not post her any anti Orthodox material. I am sure you are disappointed that we do have theology that compares to Orthodoxy and there is a lot more information on this subject from St. Thomas Aquinas I can link you to as well.

I do not like the way you question my integrity for #1 and for #2 you have got to be kidding me, they way YOU post the way YOU do in OBOB???

I am not the one with an agenda and I really do not need to or care to post here any way I rarely even read anything in this forum. I was only honoring a request.

I am very disappointed in you. You post in OBOB for your own reasons and we have been kind and polite to you and then treat Catholics the way the Protestants treat Catholics in the Protestant room???

Your becoming transparent.

Dear Michelle:

I am very sorry to read such comments. Reread what you just posted. Would Christ say these words? Are they loving?

My words have been twisted over at OBOB. If you read my posts in OBOB since August 2003, you will realize that I have not attacked the Catholic Church, but have stood up for her many times.

The websites for Catholic Answers and NewAdvent both have some very anti-Orthodox misrepresentations and serious errors, which have been posted in the OBOB threads. There are other Catholic sites with serious errors. Notice that these sites are run by laity, and not by the hierarchs in both churches who are working toward unity. It seems counterproductive to me. Those references should not be posted here.

Notice in my two posts, I did not attack you nor the Catholic Church. I just presented the truth as I have been taught both by Catholic and Orthodox theologians.

Prayerfully yours in Christ,
Elizabeth

Benedicta00 · Dec 31, 2003

Sorry Elizabeth... I don't buy it anymore.

You know good and well I did not post any anti Orthodox anything on here and I had no intention to nor did I EVER give you or anyone else the impression that I would ever even dream of doing anything like that. You have insulted my integrity and I do not appreciate it one bit.

Tell you what, Ill stay out your forum (since you deem me so untrustworthy) and you stay out of ours, deal??

MariaRegina · Dec 31, 2003

Dear Michelle:

I have really tried to post godly messages and I even pray the Rosary over at OBOB. Michelina and several other OBOB members appreciate my posts and we PM each other quite frequently to discuss issues in more detail. For the same message which you find distasteful, they find very helpful, and see it in the manner in which I intended. I guess it's all a matter of one's perspective.

Furthermore, many times there is no one over at The Ancient Way because they post in other forums to get away from the IDD crowd and all the bashing that goes on. Perhaps I should join them in the other boards.

God's peace be with you, Michelle.

Yours in Christ,
Elizabeth

Benedicta00 · Dec 31, 2003

Elizabeth,

You know good and well I have supported and defended you in the past and that is exactly why I do not appreciate your false accusations. Bottom line is we do make you feel welcome in our forum but I can not say I feel the same thing over here.

geocajun · Dec 31, 2003

you dont present "the truth" chanter, you present your subjective opinion of what you have been taught, and spin it in your anger at the Catholic Church and its all over your posts.

geocajun · Dec 31, 2003

chanter said:
Dear Michelle:

I am very sorry to read such comments coming from you and Jason. Reread what you just posted. Would Christ say these words? Are they loving?

You and Jason have twisted my words and attacked me, yet I did not attack you.

We did not attack you, We admonished you.
Your overly dramataic, and your acting as if yuo are innocent of constantly prostelyzing to Catholics, and mis-representing the Catholic faith.

geocajun · Dec 31, 2003

chanter said:
Perhaps I should join them in the other boards.

follow your heart chanter

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