Enough! (We Don't Need Handguns - When God Is for Us, Who Could Be Against Us)

wildthing · May 14, 2007

Ah anyways I practise weekly with a .45 been doing so for the last 25 years. I enjoy going to the range and putting few dozen rounds into a target. A pistol is a tool and I had to use it once when i had a person break in to the house I was living as teenager when my family was gone. I had a crim break in and was going to tenderise me with a pitch fork I would have been his 4th nocth. But he wasn't expecting a skinny 17 year old having .45. Yes my father trained me in the use of it and he always had it by his bed loaded. When he and mom left for week he moved it to my bed side and reminded me what to do with it.

Gwenyfur · May 14, 2007

billwald said:
We don't need an army, navy, or airforce. God can protect us.

Shame on you! forgot the Marines

Gwenyfur · May 14, 2007

wildthing said:
Ah anyways I practise weekly with a .45 been doing so for the last 25 years. I enjoy going to the range and putting few dozen rounds into a target. A pistol is a tool and I had to use it once when i had a person break in to the house I was living as teenager when my family was gone. I had a crim break in and was going to tenderise me with a pitch fork I would have been his 4th nocth. But he wasn't expecting a skinny 17 year old having .45. Yes my father trained me in the use of it and he always had it by his bed loaded. When he and mom left for week he moved it to my bed side and reminded me what to do with it.

I have a frame 21 glock .45 I have a CCW...

these people who are so against guns...let me ask you this:

How many people were murdered/killed/maimed before handguns were invented?

MelissaShae · May 15, 2007

Guns don't kill people....bullets kill people.

My husband is an avid gun person and while I am not a huge fan of guns, we have every right to own guns and have them in our home and our vehicles and on our person.

God can protect us but sometimes bad things happen and if the devil decides to send someone to rob my house or break in to rape and kill my family then I am going to not only have God on myside but also a shotgun in my hand.

elsbeth · May 15, 2007

If we think we need BOTH God AND a gun, it's because we aren't REALLY trusting God. My trust is in God- guns can jam.

mushowani · May 15, 2007

wisdom is the practical application of knowledge, under standing is the appreciation of the true character of things..... one has to be as wise as a serpent and be as cool as a dove.....think about this!!!!

MelissaShae · May 15, 2007

elsbeth said:
If we think we need BOTH God AND a gun, it's because we aren't REALLY trusting God. My trust is in God- guns can jam.

good for you. I have faith in God as well but I also have a right to protect my family and my property and I will do so if need be.

mushowani · May 15, 2007

be as wise as a serpent.... don't be harmful as it is.... God is our refuge and strength and He says vengence is HIS....

MelissaShae · May 15, 2007

protection is not vengence

Izdaari Eristikon · May 15, 2007

mushowani said:
be as wise as a serpent.... don't be harmful as it is.... God is our refuge and strength and He says vengence is HIS....

If I shoot someone who is trying to harm me, that's self-defense.

If I shoot someone who is running away after harming me, that's vengeance.

Christiangal01 · May 15, 2007

MelissaShae said:
protection is not vengence

Agree...

KarrieTex · May 15, 2007

dpartlow said:
Well Peter was rebuked for having done so. It sounds as if you live in fear and for that I am very sorry

You forget many go hunting. I don't see that as not trusting.

HMM, and if I remember correctly God led ARMIES with weapons many times.

I have not seen David put down his sword when he went to battle even with God leading him.

DrBubbaLove · May 15, 2007

Bible in one hand, Dr Jack in the other, 45 in a holster. Hate to say it but I am probably dropping the Bible to use the gun and it would be self defense.

From someone that has been there when all I had was a ballbat, must say the feel of pistol grip or shotgun in my hands would have been much more comforting. Have found many people change thir prospective after being so confronted.

Semper Fidelis to our fallen heros, like that quote.

dpartlow · May 16, 2007

I would agree that there is a right to self defense - even the right to bear an arm. But a 'right' is not the same as an 'ought'. I don't believe shooting someone - even in self defence is the most merciful way of handling an attacker - remember that everything we do to another (including shooting) is the same as if we do it to Christ. Has the lesson "he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword" lost all its meaning?

wildthing · May 16, 2007

dpartlow said:
I don't believe shooting someone - even in self defence is the most merciful way of handling an attacker - remember that everything we do to another (including shooting) is the same as if we do it to Christ. Has the lesson "he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword" lost all its meaning?

I don't know about you but I have not heard of assailent showing much mercy. All you need to do is look at a person holding the pitch fork on ya want to tenderize you and the only merciful thing to do is to shoot him. All I have to say is look at what happen to the old man in Detroit a few days ago. By using your logic you are saying that the assailent is the same as Christ. I think Christ has a lot of explaining to do. It is also says "you repeat what you sow" If you reap mayham you will get mayham in return.

So sorry God gave me the .45 and the ability to use it. Therefore it will be used!

DrBubbaLove · May 16, 2007

dpartlow said:
I would agree that there is a right to self defense - even the right to bear an arm. But a 'right' is not the same as an 'ought'. I don't believe shooting someone - even in self defence is the most merciful way of handling an attacker - remember that everything we do to another (including shooting) is the same as if we do it to Christ. Has the lesson "he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword" lost all its meaning?

if it is them or me or my family or someone weak/helpless, then I believe we not only have the right but we "ought" to stop them.
Whether that means using a 45 or shotgun or ball bat, a rock then not only "ought" we use what we have, but we are obligated to defend/help them. A ball bat will work, but a 45 will work better. Heck the sound alone will stop most people even if you miss.

I do not believe the moment someone is raping your wife or bashing some poor souls head in, is the time for one to be comtemplating the most merciful way to handle such a person. It is a time for action, not mercy.

The priority ought to be stopping them, then show mercy. You could treat their cooling body with some respect, offer assistance if they are dying, ask them if they have been baptized...etc.

Mikedatigah · May 16, 2007

No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house. Mark 3:27

When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: Luke 11:21

If you want to hang on to your liberties and freedoms, you won't throw away the final checks and balances system to the government that rules you.

NHB_MMA · May 16, 2007

dpartlow said:
I would agree that there is a right to self defense - even the right to bear an arm. But a 'right' is not the same as an 'ought'. I don't believe shooting someone - even in self defence is the most merciful way of handling an attacker - remember that everything we do to another (including shooting) is the same as if we do it to Christ. Has the lesson "he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword" lost all its meaning?

I disagree, but can respect your position.

Izdaari Eristikon · May 16, 2007

dpartlow said:
I would agree that there is a right to self defense - even the right to bear an arm. But a 'right' is not the same as an 'ought'. I don't believe shooting someone - even in self defence is the most merciful way of handling an attacker - remember that everything we do to another (including shooting) is the same as if we do it to Christ. Has the lesson "he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword" lost all its meaning?

Doing the most merciful thing is a good Christian principle... but let us first be merciful to the innocent victim of the attack, and only then to the assailant. If we spare the life of the assailant, but as a consequence let him kill the innocent victim, our concepts of mercy and justice are all screwed up. We're saving the assailant's life at the expense of the victim's life. I can't believe you don't see how wrong that is.

wildthing · May 16, 2007

By allowing the crim to continune his actions on your neighbor or your wife you are showing no love to that neighbor or wife. We are command to love your neighbor

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