End Times

[JeffreyLloyd]

How will the world end? How will we know the anti-Christ when he comes on the world stage?

 

[drstevej]

How will the world end? How will we know the anti-Christ when he comes on the world stage?

Hi Jeffrey. I think you will find Calvinists are not monolithic in Eschatology. I personally know Calvinists who are:

• Dispensationalists
• Historic Premilennialists
• Postmillennialists
• Amillennialists
• Partial Preterists
• Full Preterists

Each might answer this differently.

At Westmister Seminary I had professors who were Premil, A Mil and Post Mil. Most were Amillennnial.

Calvinist denominations are generally not dispensational since Covenant theology sees the church as the New Israel and dispensationalism sees a distinction between Israel and the Church.

 

[JeffreyLloyd]

We need a "Ask Dr. Steve" forum

 

[ClementofRome]

Hi Jeffrey. I think you will find Calvinists are not monolithic in Eschatology. I personally know Calvinists who are:

• Dispensationalists
• Historic Premilennialists
• Postmillennialists
• Amillennialists
• Partial Preterists
• Full Preterists

Each might answer this differently.

At Westmister Seminary I had professors who were Premil, A Mil and Post Mil. Most were Amillennnial.

Calvinist denominations are generally not dispensational since Covenant theology sees the church as the New Israel and dispensationalism sees a distinction between Israel and the Church.

This is certainly a "ditto" post. At Gordon-Conwell (MA) we also had many different perspectives, though many (most?) of the profs at the time I was there were Calvinists. I just thank God that this is not an issue that divides those of us in the reformed tradition.

 

[drstevej]

ClementofRome
Whitefield Methodist

"Whitefield Methodist" you're OK in my book. I'm a big GW fan.

Whitefield was an awesome evangelist and an ardent Calvinist!

 

[ClementofRome]

"Whitefield Methodist" you're OK in my book. I'm a big GW fan.

Whitefield was an awesome evangelist and an ardent Calvinist!

GW was an amazing man. Alas, I am a lonely voice in Methodism these days. Methodists seem to forget that Whitefield was himself a Methodist.

 

[rnmomof7]

Jeff I and the majority of Calvinists would expect Christ to come in glory to judge the living and the dead ..period.. A Mil or Post mil

 

[Cajun Huguenot]

Reformed theology today is mostly amil, but there is a fair postmil minority. I think postmils had the majority in the 18th and 19th centuries.

Many postmils (me included) would qualify as optimistic amils, because our view that the millennium began at Christ's Ascension.

I love George Whitefield also. What a preacher!!!

RNmomof7 is basically correct in her post, but there are small number historic premils in Reformed circles as well.

Coram Deo,
Kenith

 

[Imblessed]

I think you could classify me as a hesitant historic pre-mill.......

I suppose I'm just not optimistic enough to be post-mill and I can't get past the "one general ressurection" in amill theology....sooooo....

part-preterist, historic pre-mill it is......

 

[bradfordl]

How will the world end? How will we know the anti-Christ when he comes on the world stage?

1. By the hand of almighty God.

2. Already here, been here since John wrote his epistles.

Too easy.

 

[JeffreyLloyd]

Do you know his name then? LOL

 

[bradfordl]

Do you know his name then? LOL

Yep, it's "Antichrist"

Man, this is too easy.

 

[Rick Otto]

I in no way mean any of this as a personal 'dig', but are you familiar with the "historicist" view of eschatology?

The end times delusion is at least in large part, apostacy.
That would not be possible from without. We would necessarily need to be decieved by an "insider".

The papacy is thus the office of the antichrist. Matter of fact, I believe "Pontificus Maximus" is a title taken staight from Babylonian religion.
Constantine gave professing christianity the state sponsored institutional form it needed to achieve world-wide dominance. He is the one who started us off calling buildings "church" when he gave us a coupla free temples in Constantinople (formerly Istanbul) so we could be like the other religions in his empire that he controlled thru licensing. Our refusal to acknowledge his jurisdiction over us is what landed us in the lions mouths at the Coluseum in the first place. Hardly anyone knows this or even wonders why. Maybe the shock of the grisly facts prevents us from 'following the money'.
He couldn't beat us, and he needed us to win his battles & keep his empire together, so he JOINED us and made himself our defacto leader. Why why else would the presumed authority of apostolic procession be hi-jacked to Rome from Jerusalem, where Jesus' brother James was bishop? From then on the reality gap between Christianity & Christendom widened exponentialy.

The worst offense to the papacy was the reformers identifying it as the antichrist, which became easily discernable to every plowboy who could read the forbidden translations into the vernacular. Something drastic had to be done. The Cathars were the leading rebels against Roman rule, so they got the first invitation to the bonfires.
It was Ignatius De Loyola with his "spiritual exercises"(occult asceticism) to whom was given counter-reformation authority over "The Church Militant". His blind loyalty can be easily witnessed in individuals who helped foment the Inquisition.

If you can stomache the anti-catholicism & appreciate the tonque-in-cheek humor of these guys, you can get an overview at iconbusters.com

An excellent book on how original doctrines came to NEED reform, and how The Jesuits are complicit can be found in a book by Michael Bunker, called "Swarms of Locusts". He has a website called LazarusUnbound with some good articles.
I know him personaly, and recommend you keep your distance. He can be a bully, but his acedemic work is pretty good.

...Hope I haven't stepped too hard on your adrenal gland, friend.