End Times View

walt2000 · Nov 25, 2008

garry2 said:
What you say is true for those who reject truth.

there knowledge that shall be increased is EVIL....the thing that is increased for them is evil knowledge....not just knowledge....but evil knowledge...

I can't believe all the knowledge that will be increased will be evil knowledge .where did you pick that up.That is ridiculous .walt2000

get it right · Nov 27, 2008

walt2000 said:
I can't believe all the knowledge that will be increased will be evil knowledge .where did you pick that up.That is ridiculous .walt2000

tell the one who said it post#114

sore~tb · Nov 28, 2008

zeke37 said:
hi....I have not been here in a while, but when I studied that passage, I understand it as thus: the knowledge that shall be increased is EVIL....the thing that is increased is evil knowledge....not just knowledge....but evil knowledge...

(post trib, premil too!)

Evil: yes like technology and when it comes to the mark - yes that knowledge will be evil and much is already your right. Also like witty-inventions (Prov 8:12) are regarding of evil, God hates them.

witty inventions:
OT:4209
mezimmah (mez-im-maw'); from OT:2161; a plan, usually evil (machination), sometimes good (sagacity):
KJV - (wicked) device, discretion, intent, witty invention, lewdness, mischievous (device), thought, wickedly.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

Prov 8:13
13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.KJV

Holy: and believers also will incease in knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who rose from the dead for our Justification on the 3rd day.

get it right · Nov 29, 2008

if you reject truth then your knowledge is evil knowledge as post #120 rightly said.

Isaiah 11:9They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

so the knowledge that will increase is not all evil knowledge as post #114 wrongly said.

Bible2 · Dec 30, 2008

Daniel 12:4 could mean that in the endtimes many believers will
go back and forth between the books of Daniel and Revelation,
and a correct knowledge of what must come will be increased.

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The Antichrist won't be Satan himself, but a man (2 Thessalonians
2:3) who will be empowered by Satan (2 Thessalonians 2:9), who
will be worshipped with Satan (Revelation 13:4), who will have a
separate mouth than Satan (Revelation 16:13), and who will be
cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 19:20) 1,000 years before
Satan (Revelation 20:7-10).

The Antichrist may not say that he's Jesus, because the
Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22).

The False Prophet of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:11-18) could
claim that he's Jesus reincarnated.

walt2000 · Feb 5, 2009

http://walt2000.socialgo.com/magazine.html

walt2000This blogg is really all I have to say about Revelations, Every thing is just repeating it self ,Thanks for giving me the time .There is the only one Interp.that makes sense. thanks again .walt2000

Biblewriter · Feb 6, 2009

Bible2 said:
Ezekiel chapters 40-48 were not a promise God made,
but a conditional vision which it was up to Israel
to fulfill (Ezekiel 43:11) before the sacrifice of
Christ, and which Israel failed to fulfill before
the sacrifice of Christ, just like Israel in the
time of Jeremiah failed to fulfill the conditions
of Jeremiah 17:20-26, but instead fulfilled the
conditions of Jeremiah 17:27.

Ezekiel 43:11And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, show them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

This does not say that the promise will be fulfilled if they be ashamed. It says to show them the form of the house,etc., if they be ashamed. There is no condition whatsoever attached to the fulfillment of even one of the promises in the last third of Ezekiel. Jeremiah 17 was talking about the impending judgment of Jerusalem, which indeed took place exactly as prophesied. But in the entire Bible, not even the promises of a future millennial blessing has any condition whatsoever attached to it.

Revelation 14:1-5 is referring only to the 144,000
male-virgins part of the church in the heavenly
mount Sion (cf. Hebrews 12:22). They will be caught
up to the throne of God as the "man child" right
before the 3.5-year world-reign of the Antichrist
begins (Revelation 12:5-6, 14:5).

Your conclusion that the 144,000 are part of the church is based on your interpretation that the church is still here at that time. I have repeatedly pointed out that post-trib is an interpretation, just as pre-trib is. Post=trib is obvious if we accept your interpretation of the meanings of the terms used in describing certain end time events. But these are not the only possible meanings of these terms. If my interpretations of what these terms mean is correct, pre-trib is obvious. We will all soon know who is right.

The man-child in the vision is the son of the woman. No scripture anywhere speaks of individual Christians as being sons of the church. So it is unreasonable to assume that the woman is the church.

I continue to find it amazing how you can be so certain of things that are purely matters of interpretation, yet you continually postulate what expressly stated prophecies "might" mean.

walt2000 · Mar 8, 2009

This is not a End of Time Prediction. It is a true interp. of Revelation no time is Known. walt2000

Big Mouth Nana · Mar 8, 2009

onwingsaseagles said:
Well you certainly reject truth, get it wrong.

get it wrong

WOW, this is an old topic. Who resurrected it?

get it right · Mar 8, 2009

onwingsaseagles said:
Well you certainly reject truth, get it wrong.

no i don't reject truth at all, why are you spiteful and accusing just because someone sees somethings diffrent to you, is that your god given assigment that you claim to have?

onwingsaseagles · Mar 8, 2009

get it right said:
no i don't reject truth at all, why are you spiteful and accusing just because someone sees somethings diffrent to you, is that your god given assigment that you claim to have?

You just do get it, do ya got it wrong?

get it right · Mar 8, 2009

onwingsaseagles said:
You just do get it, do ya got it wrong?

and that is exactly the extent of your kind of posting.
a mission from God, you say.

Benefactor · Mar 9, 2009

Go to the link I posted titled "It's worth watching Regardless of your vies"

hiscosmicgoldfish · Mar 9, 2009

Brother Shuler said:
What are your views of the end?
I'm a Futurist, Post-Tribulation, Historic Pre-Millennialist.

I have come around to an amillennial view. To me, it seems obvious that 1000 years is symbolic, as it is sourced from Revelation, (correct me if I’m wrong).
As Revelation is an apocalyptic work, the interpretation should be to accept it as symbolic, unless there is reason to think otherwise. One of the exceptions here is I think, the mark of the beast, which is not totally symbolic.
I had no real eschatological view, before changing over from Roman C to Protestant. The early years of my Protestantism influenced me a lot, in a literal millennium, a new heaven and earth, a rebuilt temple and all that.
After studying the whole thing over the last years, I have seen some contradictions coming from what I now call dispensationalists.. when they say ‘he shall sit in the temple of God, declaring himself to be God’.. and they say this is some future individual antichrist.. I know that to be wrong, and just ignorant.. as the temple of God’ in that case, is the real Christian era temple of God,.. the Christian people themselves.. so I have developed a real aversion to these dispensationalists and their theories. I have discovered the Daniel Gap theory, which breaks the 70 weeks of Daniel into 69 weeks+1 (I knew about this for a long time, but only recently saw that it was erroneous).. there is no justification to break the 70 weeks, as the whole thing in Daniel says ’70 weeks have been allotted to your people’.. the Israelites.. not everyone.
In my opinion, Daniel is a historic document, with the exception of chapter 12, which is about the end of days. The antichrist was the pope and the restrainer was the Roman emperors.
So for me now, I do not believe in a literal 1000 year millennium. I think it is symbolic for the church age. I believe in the return of Christ, visible to all and with the angels on the last day. There is no secret rapture. The rapture mentioned by Paul is about those born-again believers in Christ, being translated in body, to meet the Lord in the air, these are the survivors of the tribulation. At the same time, is the resurrection of the dead, and the day of judgement. Those unfit for heaven are cast out into darkness, those whose names are not written on the Lambs book of life..
I can’t see the point of endless argument on this forum; you develop ideas yourself, hopefully. Do the research, read the text in the bible, read commentaries on the bible, get as much information on it from various sources, and then come up with the best conclusions.
And what really draws the line in the sand for me, is the almost heretical ideas that dispensationalists have formed about Israel and the Jews. I know where they get this from now. It is drawn from a heretical idea, that Jesus’ sacrifice was not planned, and insufficient. This is why they have the Israeli’s starting up the killing of sheep again in a third temple. So that’s why some churches in America have their congregations give money to Israel. Funny if it wasn’t so tragic.
I have gone over to churches that have an open eschatological view, with no doctrinal theories, such as dispensationism. This is the Baptists and some UK evangelicals. But the newer churches, the penticostal’ish AoG, and others with most influence from 20th century American religion, have adopted that doctrine, either officially, or subliminally.

walt2000 · Mar 16, 2009

As Revelation is an apocalyptic work, the interpretation should be to accept it as symbolic, unless there is reason to think otherwise. One of the exceptions here is I think, the mark of the beast, which is not totally symbolic.
Look up Rev.16/12 ,The Great River
6 Th.Thunder ,Man Thunder,vertically
6 Th. horizontal line, Man
6 Th., blue line,6 th.Vial ,Man ,diagonally
There is Your mark of the Beast ,666 .hidden between the two White Horse's
The eighth Thunder Rev.14/2 The Great Thunder.
walt2000

walt2000 · Mar 17, 2009

I would really like to be proved wrong, in my studies ,there is a lot of phonies out there. A lot of uninspired people .walt2000

walt2000 · Mar 24, 2009

After studying the whole thing over the last years, I have seen some contradictions coming from what I now call dispensationalists.. when they say ‘he shall sit in the temple of God, declaring himself to be God’.. and they say this is some future individual antichrist.. I know that to be wrong, and just ignorant.. as the temple of God’ in that case, is the real Christian era temple of God,.. the Christian people themselves.. so I have developed a real aversion to these dispensationalists and their theories. I have discovered the Daniel Gap theory, which breaks the 70 weeks of Daniel into 69 weeks+1 (I knew about this for a long time, but only recently saw that it was erroneous).. there is no justification to break the 70 weeks, as the whole thing in Daniel says ’70 weeks have been allotted to your people’.. the Israelites.. not everyone.

Revelation is one or the other,most people in Rev. copy a group ,the don't think for them self's , most are ridiculous. 666 on their for-heads .Give me a break. As if the devil needs to look for 666 to know if you are his.walt2000

walt2000 · Mar 24, 2009

You know there is supposed to be a third, sacred, third secret of Fatima 'doe's anybody know it . I really don,t think so ,the catholic church, is keeper of it ? I don't think so, they don't know it . And they are not hiding anything. And the whole Christian church on earth, as a whole ,are not hiding it. And They don't know it. I think Christ will reveal it in his good time- maybe it is here now, but people don't know where to look , because it is not theirs . Look at my chart The Great harlot Babylon ,The Fifth Thunder and the Seventy Thunder to back it up in the same line horizontally
5 = prophesy
7 = divine

walt2000

JHM · Mar 24, 2009

Curious walt : How well do your beliefs square with this ( ? ) :

http://www.christiandoctrinediscussion.com/blogs/jhm/

walt2000 · Mar 25, 2009

Revelations 13 1-3 (Jerusalem Bible)
“Then I saw a beast emerge from the sea: it had seven heads and ten horns, ... the dragon had handed over to it his own power and his throne and his worldwide authority. I saw that one of its heads seemed to have had a fatal wound but that this deadly injury had healed ...”

That is in the Earth Thunder.= events on the earth
look at my chart.

look at the 4th.horizontal line.and below.

They are events of the 4 Horses ,Spirits that roam the Earth ,every thing that is below that 4 th. horizontal line pertains to the Earth Spirits.

That is the letter to thyatira
Prom. to thyatira no.4,Angel no.4,Trumpet no.4 ,God enters witnesses ,3 Angel messengers ,2 nd. Angel Babylon has fallen,
4 th. Vial ,suns heat burns men,And finally ,Babylon has fallen ,= spirits that roam the Earth.See Eze. Four horse's

4 = Earth See how the 4,s line up across the page seal no.4 ,trumpet no. 4 ,vial no.4
Beast out of Sea ,Dragon vomits after the child ,To pollutes the word
there are going to be Three angel message,s, Babylon has fallen, vial 4 ,Babylon has fallen .
See the repeat of the Babylons ,just about next to each other
I know I broke the rule here by introducing Eze . to show where the four horses line with old testament. walt2000

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