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In my search for the truth I try to harmonize what I find in the Bible with what science teaches. Try to read what I have written again and tell me why my thinking makes no sense to you.You need evidence to arrive at a conclusion. All you have are beliefs.
My problem is that I do not dare to get inside a black hole to investigate. I may be unable to get out of it.They are found in every black hole.
Show me where I have broken this rule and I will try to make the proper corrections!All we ask is that you pull the quote from the original material, be able to supply the context of the quote, and not misrepresent the person being quoted.
Age Limits for our Universe
“The universe cannot be younger than the objects contained inside of it. By determining the ages of the oldest stars, scientists are able to put a limit on the age. …” [The reference is listed below.]
The problem I see here is that the oldest objects in the universe might be located outside of the known universe, which means that we can establish the minimum age of the universe but not its upper limit.
“The uncertainty still creates a limit to the age of the universe; it must be at least 11 billion years old. It can be older, but not younger. …”
Notice that it states that the universe can be older. I conclude that the universe might be much older than the age calculated for the known universe—the one we can observe with the most powerful telescopes we have been able to build so far.
“If the expansion rate is known, scientists can workbackwards to determine the universe's age, …”
I doubt that this rate is known.
"In 2012, WMAP estimated the age of the universe to be 13.772 billion years, with an uncertainty of 59 million years. In 2013, Planck measured the age of the universe at 13.82 billion years. Both of these fall within the lower limit of 11 billion years independently derived from the globular clusters, and both have smaller uncertainties than that number. …”
Ref.: http://www.space.com/24054-how-old-is-the-universe.html
Here I see another problem. Many scientists hypothesize that the rate of the expansion of the universe at the beginning was infinite.
“When the universe was smaller and more dense, it therefore follows that the expansion rate was much larger than it is today. Indeed, as we extrapolate the universe further back in time, we reach a point where the density, temperature, and expansion rate were all infinitely large. …
Ref.: http://preposterousuniverse.com/writings/cosmologyprimer/reallyearly.html
If the initial rate of expansion of the universe was much larger than the present rate, then our calculation of the age of the universe might be off by an unknown quantity. And if we can’t be sure how old is the known universe, our knowledge of the entire universe is even a greater mystery.
Show me where I have broken this rule and I will try to make the proper corrections!
“If the expansion rate is known, scientists can workbackwards to determine the universe's age, …”
.I doubt that this rate is known.
"In 2012, WMAP estimated the age of the universe to be 13.772 billion years, with an uncertainty of 59 million years. In 2013, Planck measured the age of the universe at 13.82 billion years. Both of these fall within the lower limit of 11 billion years independently derived from the globular clusters, and both have smaller uncertainties than that number. …”
Ref.: http://www.space.com/24054-how-old-is-the-universe.html
Here I see another problem. Many scientists hypothesize that the rate of the expansion of the universe at the beginning was infinite.
“When the universe was smaller and more dense, it therefore follows that the expansion rate was much larger than it is today. Indeed, as we extrapolate the universe further back in time, we reach a point where the density, temperature, and expansion rate were all infinitely large. …
Ref.: http://preposterousuniverse.com/writings/cosmologyprimer/reallyearly.html
If the initial rate of expansion of the universe was much larger than the present rate, then our calculation of the age of the universe might be off by an unknown quantity. And if we can’t be sure how old is the known universe, our knowledge of the entire universe is even a greater mystery.
But clearly the universe has a way of taking care of those problems, so what is your point?
But it is known; it is called the Hubble constant, and it is the ratio of the recession velocity of the galaxies to their distance.
The Big Bang MysteryAbout singularities . . . . I don't think singularities really exist.
In my search for the truth I try to harmonize what I find in the Bible with what science teaches. Try to read what I have written again and tell me why my thinking makes no sense to you.
“They can determine the age of the universe using two different methods: by studying the oldest objects within the universe and measuring how fast it is expanding. …
The uncertainty still creates a limit to the age of the universe; it must be at least 11 billion years old. It can be older, but not younger. …”
More: http://www.space.com/24054-how-old-is-the-universe.html
Notice that this scientist states that the universe could be older. I agree with that opinion.
Besides, it affirms that the upper age limit is set by the objects in the universe. Since we have not found the limit of the universe, it follows that tomorrow we may find older objects than those we can now see.
My conclusion? We have no idea how old is our universe.
New Theory: The Universe Isn't Expanding, It's Just Gaining Mass
“One cosmologist is proposing that the universe isn't actually expanding, as the standard theory goes. Instead, the redshift effects astronomers see could mean that everything is just gaining more mass …”
Ref.: http://www.popsci.com/science/artic...universe-isnt-expanding-its-just-gaining-mass
The Big Bang Mystery
“At the Big Bang, our knowledge of what happens gives out; the fact that physical quantities become infinite is a sign that we don't know what is going on. Presumably, in the real world there is no singularity; instead, something happens that cannot be described by physics as we currently understand it. …”
Ref.: http://preposterousuniverse.com/writings/cosmologyprimer/reallyearly.html
I was attempting to understand the reasoning behind the alleged age of the universe. There seems to exist a consensus that our universe is approximately 15 billion years old. My suggestion is that this may not be true. I have the suspicion that our universe is probably much older that said figure. Apparently, the age of our universe is determined by the oldest object in it.
About singularities . . . . I don't think singularities really exist. They come up with our present equations for dealing with gravity and to me such things are merely evidence that we don't have the whole set of laws of gravity worked out yet.
But don't anybody go into a black hole to find out. Nobody has ever come back from a black hole yet.
But if anybody knows how to actually try getting into a black hole, please share that information as well!
New Theory: The Universe Isn't Expanding, It's Just Gaining Mass
“One cosmologist is proposing that the universe isn't actually expanding, as the standard theory goes. Instead, the redshift effects astronomers see could mean that everything is just gaining more mass …”
Ref.: http://www.popsci.com/science/artic...universe-isnt-expanding-its-just-gaining-mass
I think most scientists agree that our current physical models are incomplete, and a more complete model will be able to explain what happens in black holes, and in the singularity that produced our universe.
Our universe was not produced by a singularity, but rather by God who created what we observe in nature. I am not ready to thrash the Bible and replace it with science. The role of science is to try to discover the footsteps of the Creator in nature and thus lead us to worship the one who is responsible for everything that exists.
It makes no sense to reject facts because they contradict with creation myths in books.
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