Elites Overseas

[Laodicean60]

I came across this video last night. It discusses canceling elections because the elites or the powers that be do not like the candidate. I've heard for a long time that there is a free speech issue, and I agree.

This sounds to me like something that Russia or China would do. Why are we willing to protect non democratic states?

 

[mindlight]

I came across this video last night. It discusses canceling elections because the elites or the powers that be do not like the candidate. I've heard for a long time that there is a free speech issue, and I agree.

This sounds to me like something that Russia or China would do. Why are we willing to protect non democratic states?

By Democratic you mean states where a peaceful transfer of power is accomplished without decrying the validity of the election process, where constituencies are not gerrymandered according to party preferences and where more than half the people in the potential electorate vote for the candidate in office?. Just asking ;-)

Have you seen Connor McGregor rap sheet? He is an unsuitable candidate but so also the background tension is between the government and the idea of a local mayor. 60% of Irish revenues go through Dublin.

Conor McGregor - Wikipedia

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Romanian election was delayed because of tampering by the Russians - new date: May 4 – May 18, 2025
Romania was one of the countries occupied by the Soviets and sensitivity here to Russian interference is understandable because it is the pattern of much of the last 7-8 decades.

Why Romania Just Canceled Its Presidential Election | Journal of Democracy

The Romanian government is trying to guard against Russian election interference. But such a drastic, unexpected, and last-minute move risks undermining people’s faith in democracy.

www.journalofdemocracy.org

 

[Laodicean60]

Have you seen Connor McGregor rap sheet? He is an unsuitable candidate but so also the background tension is between the government and the idea of a local mayor. 60% of Irish revenues go through Dublin.

But shouldn't the people be allowed to vote? No matter what the elite say. I don't have a clue how elections work over their hell, I'm still learning my politics lol. I've heard his name before, but I can't place him, nor am I interested.

Romanian election was delayed because of tampering by the Russians

That's a good excuse, and we tamper with elections also. This is common knowledge throughout history. Did they tamper with voting machines, or was it just social media? I am ignorant about Romania's demographics, so I don't know how many Russian-speaking people are there.

In my country, the major criticism I heard is social media, as if people are too dumb to make their own decisions. But today we only have two parties, so my country is divided. The smart ones, in my opinion, do not vote along party lines.

I always thought Europe was similar to the USA in elections, and I am a little jealous that you all have more than two parties. But to cancel someone doesn't sit right with me. Because, from the outside looking in, it seems like a Russian or Chinese thing that was done.

 

[Laodicean60]

Your wiki lol now I remember my sons are into MMA.

 

[mindlight]

But shouldn't the people be allowed to vote? No matter what the elite say. I don't have a clue how elections work over their hell, I'm still learning my politics lol. I've heard his name before, but I can't place him, nor am I interested.

That's a good excuse, and we tamper with elections also. This is common knowledge throughout history. Did they tamper with voting machines, or was it just social media? I am ignorant about Romania's demographics, so I don't know how many Russian-speaking people are there.

In my country, the major criticism I heard is social media, as if people are too dumb to make their own decisions. But today we only have two parties, so my country is divided. The smart ones, in my opinion, do not vote along party lines.

I always thought Europe was similar to the USA in elections, and I am a little jealous that you all have more than two parties. But to cancel someone doesn't sit right with me. Because, from the outside looking in, it seems like a Russian or Chinese thing that was done.

My view is that it depends on the elite and their agenda. I am disinclined to accept the dictates of Russian oligarchs and dictators. In O’Connors case - the biggest theme from where he gets his power is that of immigration. This has been mishandled by the elites and they failed to read grass roots feelings. But electing a racist rapist thug is not necessarily the solution to that. The job of elites is to manage the best interests of the mob not to simply follow their lead. But some elites are more self serving than others

 

[Nithavela]

Don't believe things you read online, especially from far right pundits like the guy in the OP.

 

[Laodicean60]

My view is that it depends on the elite and their agenda. I am disinclined to accept the dictates of Russian oligarchs and dictators. In O’Connors case - the biggest from where he gets his power is that of immigration. This has been mishandled by the elites and they failed to read grass roots feelings. But electing a racist rapist is not necessarily the solution to that. The job of elites is to manage the best interests of the job not to simply follow their lead. But some elites are more self serving than others

I agree that all elites are out of touch overseas and in my country. But him being a rapist but you know about Trumps allegatins but Biden also had a questionable past but I still believe it should the people to decide who to vote for not the powers in high places.

Thanks, so the video was somewhat true by your explanation.

 

[Laodicean60]

Don't believe things you read online, especially from far right pundits like the guy in the OP.

I'm getting the impression that the video was accurate and the headlines he posted.

 

[trophy33]

But to cancel someone doesn't sit right with me.

In order to candidate, you must be impeccable (not sure if this is the right English term). Independent justice system decides if you are not.

Marine Le Pen, leader of France's far-right National Rally party, has been barred from running for public office for five years following her conviction for embezzlement of European Union funds. This legal ruling effectively disqualifies her from participating in the 2027 French presidential election. The court sentenced her to four years in prison, with two years suspended and two years under house arrest, and fined her €100,000.

 

[Laodicean60]

In order to candidate, you must be impeccable

In America, I haven't seen one. But I believe it should be up to the people to decide, as I understand democracy.

 

[trophy33]

In America, I haven't seen one. But I believe it should be up to the people to decide, as I understand democracy.

I doubt you can teach France democracy.

 

[Laodicean60]

I doubt you can teach France democracy.

But the topic was about the video and this happened in Ireland. Hasn't Le Penn been punished and unable to run?

 

[Nithavela]

I'm getting the impression that the video was accurate and the headlines he posted.

Of course you do.

 

[trophy33]

But the topic was about the video and this happened in Ireland. Hasn't Le Penn been punished and unable to run?

You are not making much sense. Your OP video talks about Le Pen (single "n") in 0:32, as an example how "bad" it is in Europe.

 

[Laodicean60]

Of course you do.

Was the headline inaccurate? If so, let me know. I don't live over there, but I will not assume they are true or false, and my impression is that they are true and not AI-generated lies. I would love to hear from someone in the UK.

If he were canceled, my original statement about democracy still holds.

 

[Nithavela]

Was the headline inaccurate?

The title of the video is inaccurate.

1: "Europe" didn't cancel anything, the decision was made by the people of ireland.
2: Nothing was "canceled". In Ireland, mayors are elected indirectly through councillors. That will still happen as normal. What didn't happen was a change to the way elections work in Dublin that might benefit populist politicians.
3: This decision was made by democratically elected politicians. It's their job to make such decisions, as mandated by the vote of the irish people.

It's not a threat to democracy if rules aren't changed to enable certain politicians. This is just the right playing the victim card. "Boo hoo, look at me, the evil liberals are not changing the rules so I have better chances!"

 

[Laodicean60]

1: "Europe" didn't cancel anything, the decision was made by the people of ireland.

Correct my bad, I keep forgetting Brexit

2: Nothing was "canceled". In Ireland, mayors are elected indirectly through councillors. That will still happen as normal. What didn't happen was a change to the way elections work in Dublin that might benefit populist politicians.

Ok, now we are getting somewhere. I did say I don't know the politics over there. As long as the people did the changes thats all I'm concerned.

3: This decision was made by democratically elected politicians. It's their job to make such decisions, as mandated by the vote of the irish people.

I now find, because of our conversation, that he hasn't been officially barred and he may not have the support.

"Boo hoo, look at me, the evil liberals are not changing the rules so I have better chances!"

Look, dude, this wasn't needed in our conversation. It seems childish. Thanks, though, you've made things a lot clearer in your comments. All I was trying to do was verify media.

 

[Nithavela]

Correct my bad, I keep forgetting Brexit

Ireland is not a part of the United Kingdom. Ireland is part of the EU.

This decision still was made by the people of Ireland, not of the EU. The EU doesn't cancel elections.

Ok, now we are getting somewhere. I did say I don't know the politics over there. As long as the people did the changes thats all I'm concerned.

I now find, because of our conversation, that he hasn't been officially barred and he may not have the support.

Look, dude, this wasn't needed in our conversation. It seems childish. Thanks, though, you've made things a lot clearer in your comments. All I was trying to do was verify media.

I would suggest that you don't verify media by forming and then spreading ill-informed opinions and then waiting for people to correct you.

 

[Laodicean60]

I would suggest that you don't verify media by forming and then spreading ill-informed opinions and then waiting for people to correct you.

Honestly, I wasn't trying to spread anything, and I repeat.

I now find, because of our conversation, that he hasn't been officially barred and he may not have the support.

 

[trophy33]

I now find, because of our conversation, that...

But is it so hard to simply fact check some video titles and claims with AI or something? You do not need to wait for us to give you a more complete info or more context. Fact checking is so easy nowadays. It takes literally seconds and no special skills are needed.