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The original mission of The Greek Archdiocese in America and continues to be the building of parishes. With the ever increasing number of Orthodox faithful the building of parishes and communities of worship is always going to be the primary focus.mtown said:The original mission of The Greek Archdiocese in America and continues to be the building of parishes. With the ever increasing number of Orthodox faithful the building of parishes and communities of worship is always going to be the primary focus.
The building of monastic communities is wonderful and thank God for instilling this gift into Father Ephraim. But the monasteries do not belong to him. There is one father in the Archdiocese and that is Archbishop Demetrios. As Greek Bishop in the America he is the authority, and not Metropolitans or auxiallry Bishops or even Father Ephraim. Due respect is given to these people as due respect is given to any member of the community.
The heart of the Orthodox faithful is and always will be the parish community. It is, and should be, in the parish communities where the faithful are baptized, are married and participate in all the Sacraments of the Church. The Monastic communities are the "spiritual conscience" of the Faith but are not the guides of the Church.
I also think it is a little naive to believe that organizations like the Orthodox-Clergy Association (Leadership 100) are using their influence in the Archdiocese to bring slander against Father Ephraim. Or the rumours that the Leadership 100 group brought the dethronement of Archbishop Sydridon as it was them that insisted so much in bring an American-born Bishop to the throne of the American Archdiocese.
As hard as people also do not want to believe that we must also deal with the "politics" involved in the organization of the Church. We can't simply dismiss it as a something bad or something that is ruining the Church. Far from! It is organizations from the simple Parish Councils and Ladies Benevolent Societies up to IOCC and Mission Groups, and yes, Leadership 100 that sustain the work and the Church as we see it today. In all its glory!! Thank God for these wonderful people! These wonderful people that keep the maitainace of the Theological Academies, Sunday Schools, charity work in the communities and abroad with the supplying of foods, books and the building of Churches!
Once people start thinking that there is a "Kabal" working within the Archdiocese then all this wonderful work that I mentioned above by these people is slandered as well. The Church does not keep secrets from anyone, as it is the Truth of God that we possess.
I also find it disheartening to read that Greeks were never proponents of monasteries. I do not know where should misguided comments like that come from and I am sadden to read them. When one begins to read some history one will quickly learn that the Typikon followed by the Orthodox Church was developed in GREEK monasteries.
I urge people to use caution when dealing with this kind of topic. It is not an easy thing to understand. We must look at the Church as a whole and not to break it down into parts. The Church functions and exists as a whole as a united entity reflected in the Holy Trinity!
Milty
The first Greek Orthodox in America were lay folk that were faithfully served by the Russian Orthodox Church in America. The only reason for a GOA was the Russian Revolution. The Russian Revolution came and went, but jurisdictions in America are still here, and their reason for existence is over. St Herman and 4 others came from where else, Vaalam Monastery a center of Athonite Spirituality in Russia! How did it work? They set up a skete, on Spruce Island and from there the Light of Christ shown forth. St Peter the Aleut was one of the first converts and his Martyrdom began to spread the seed among the Native Americans. No the first missionaries were monks and they came not to win converts, not to build anything, they came to pray, to fast, to aquire the Holy Spirit. And as St Seraphim of Sarov said, if that happens then there will be converts, and in America there were.The first Greek Orthodox to the Americas were not monks but priests that were called to the Americas to tend the Greek Orthodox faithful.
jeffthefinn said:
The Church will not grow here just by having bazaars and selling ethnic food. It will grow by the light of our monastics.
Jeff the Finn
Juice said:Dear Chanter...
your comment:
What's unique in Greek Orthodoxy in America is that the first building to be built is generally not the Church but the social hall. I think someone has got their priorities backwards.
is a terrible cheap shot at the Greek Orthodox communities of the Americas.
Juice said:That makes no sense at all. What happened to simple decency?
The comments that I read about Elder Ephraim about him had validity to them. He was not attacking Elder Ephraim, but thats what happens to people when Christ in the Church becomes distorted.
And I agree with him. The things I have heard about Elder Ephraim, and the way that people talk about him is not very Orthodox-like. And I know several people that have gone down to Arizona to see him and they lose all focus in their community. They start complaining that that is not how it's done with Elder Ephraim. There is a real reason why Elder Ephraim has been not allowed to come up here to Canada, and many people are angry at the Metropolitan Bishop. I think he did a good think, people should prioritize themselves again in the Church. This is only strengthened by the fact that now several Metropolitans Bishops have not allowed him either to enter into their jurisdictions.
I surprised that this does not worry people when it comes to Elder Ephraim.
Juice said:goodness gracious..... what has happened to the Orthodox faithful?
Elder Epharim... OCL.... blah... blah...blah.... and again I am not judging Elder Epharim on heresay, I am making note of the people that have gone to see him. I personal have never met the man. And I have really no intention of doing so. Not because I don't like him. I love him like I love all people. The image of Christ is in all of us. Christ is the Church and the center of everything!!!
chanter said:Great post Jeff.
Dear Milty:
Our church should be focused on repentance, not on building physical structures. What's unique in Greek Orthodoxy in America is that the first building to be built is generally not the Church but the social hall. I think someone has got their priorities backwards.
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