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Either be quiverfull or live in totaly abstinence

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I found this quote:
Source: Orthodox Info



A couple of thoughts.


1) Good Lord, how horrible to give ground for divorce over bareness! Imagine a wife's inner struggle as her husband (who promised to endure with her through anything) leaves her because her own body has failed her (imagine how she must feel about herself). Good Lord people, just adopt! No need to break hearts it's not her fault or his fault if they're barren!


2) So, not only is it sinful for me to not want children...it's sinful for me to not want them right away? I can't even adjust to just being married first?!


3) Somewhere out there, right now...two people are probably having sex. Does this disturb you as well? Why not just admit it's for procreation only instead of wearing ballay slippers around the issue. How many fast days are in a year btw? What is it like 200 or something? Imagine every three days before Communion, every day of Communion, every Wednesday & Friday, every Major Feast Day...etc.


4) Big family = love, small family = coldness. Ugh..I don't even know where to begin. Is it right to judge the moral state of a family, just because of it's size? Can we safely assume that any kid who doesn't grow up with at least 6 other siblings is doomed to live a life of depravity? Is the moral fabric of a family totally dependent not on the quality but on the quantity of it's members?
"A large family accustoms children to being concerned about others, makes them more sensitive, etc." Notice...we are referred to no study.


Right...there's some of my pointers about the whole, quiver full or celibate debate. What are yours? Is it okay to at least wait before having kids in a marriage? Is it not okay to call divorce when you and your spouse enter into disagreement but okay to divorce over something your spouse has no control over (bareness)? Is it right to demand that all married couples have sex roughly once a week or less and only on Church approved days (rather than working around the couples own schedule (suppose one spouse is in the military and comes home during Great Lent)).
 
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If we dedicated more time in prayer, all these issues, diabolic dispositions, false questions and perplexing thoughts would go away. The Lord would transform us into "angels" and these insignificant matters would be completely foreign to us... but we choose to deal with them critically and with dialectic... what a waste of time!

Have a blessed feast of the Dormition of the Ever-Virgin Mary.
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Wow what an insightful answer! Thanks for sharing!

Oh & btw, we were created to be higher than the angles. Now of course, we're some where between the angels...and the French.
 
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Wow what an insightful answer! Thanks for sharing!
Quote:
After Bankei had passed away, a blind man who lived near the master's temple told a friend:

"Since I am blind, I cannot watch a person's face, so I must judge his character by the sound of his voice. Ordinarily when I hear someone congratulate another upon his happiness or success, I also hear a secret tone of envy. When condolence is expressed for the misfortune of another, I hear pleasure and satisfaction, as if the one condoling was really glad there was something left to gain in his own world.

"In all my experience, however, Bankei's voice was always sincere. Whenever he expressed happiness, I heard nothing but happiness, and whenever he expressed sorrow, sorrow was all I heard." - Zen Koan
I'm afraid to say that you do not sound like a Bankei to me but given my "blindness" I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Oh & btw, we were created to be higher than the angles. Now of course, we're some where between the angels...and the French.
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A student of Tendai, a philosophical school of Buddhism, came to the Zen abode of Gasan as a pupil. When he was departing a few years later, Gasan warned him: "Studying the truth speculatively is useful as a way of collecting preaching material. But remember that unless you meditate (pray) constantly (and practice the philosophy) your light of truth may go out." - Adapted from a Zen Koan
You seem like a very well educated man - your responses indicate so, - I wish you also become an educated angel (and higher like you say) as well, by living a pure life as they do. The later I offer as an advice/wish since you confess to be in want (French?).


God bless,
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The first thing I said to be friendly and I do think you have a point. We need stop making so many "rules" with which to bind everyone and just let The Holy Spirit guide us. After all, each situation is different and what works for one, may not work for another (such is often the fault of secular law and The Church is not to be a secular institution). Thankfully we have a SF who can use discernment in what is best for each person instead of coming up with one single standard and then holding all to it.


The second thing I said was a homage to Mark Twain. However, if it'd been my way, I would've said the Russians.
 
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