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If she really were seeing Saturn and it was from God she would have seen many more moons (I believe it's 60+) instead of just touting the common thought of the day. Also, this was the convincing evidence for Bates to let go of his doubts about her and accept her as a 'prophetess', even though what she saw was incorrect. Pretty convenient endorsement!I did a quick search of EGW writings - only 15 references to Jupiter. Mostly having to do with the Greek god Jupiter and not the planet.
Volume 1 of her biography page 113:
The Spirit of God rested upon us in Brother C.'s humble
dwelling, and I was wrapt in a vision of God's glory, and for the
first time had a view of other planets. After I came out of vision I
related what I had seen.--Ibid., p. 239. {1BIO 113.2}
Actually, during the vision, wholly unbeknown to her, she spoke of what was passing before her. J. N. Loughborough recounted in print the description of the meeting as Bates told it to him: {1BIO 113.3}
Mrs. White, while in vision, began to talk about the stars,
giving a glowing description of rosy-tinted belts which she saw
across the surface of some planet, and added, "I see four
moons." {1BIO 113.4}
"Oh," said Elder Bates, "she is viewing Jupiter!"
Then having made motions as though traveling through
space, she began giving a description of belts and rings in their
ever-varying beauty, and said, "I see seven moons." {1BIO 113.5}
Elder Bates exclaimed, "She is describing Saturn." {1BIO 113.6}
Next came the description of Uranus, with its six moons; then
a wonderful description of the "opening heavens," with its
glory, calling it an opening into a region more enlightened. Elder
Bates said that her description far surpassed any account of the
opening heavens he had ever read from any author. {1BIO 113.7}
Free, I understand what you are saying, but of course they had not discovered all of those moons at the time.If she really were seeing Saturn and it was from God she would have seen many more moons (I believe it's 60+) instead of just touting the common thought of the day. Also, this was the convincing evidence for Bates to let go of his doubts about her and accept her as a 'prophetess', even though what she saw was incorrect. Pretty convenient endorsement!
In CHRIST alone...
You're concurring that God used incorrect or mis-information to convince Bates of EGW being a 'true prophetess'?Free, I understand what you are saying, but of course they had not discovered all of those moons at the time.
You know that the Biblical definition of Pi is 3, when in actuality it is 3.1415926...... But that does not make the Bible any less relevant to us.
So the whole Bible being wrong about Pi is not a problem for you?You're concurring that God used incorrect or mis-information to convince Bates of EGW being a 'true prophetess'?
In CHRIST alone...
Strictly speaking, the bible is not innaccurate in this regard.So the whole Bible being wrong about Pi is not a problem for you?
Is that not mis-information?
Interesting links - Thanks!!!!Strictly speaking, the bible is not innaccurate in this regard.
http://www.angelfire.com/my/elliott83/BiblePi.html
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Accuracy.html
MVA, this is a classic SDA defense of EGW. Try to tear down Scripture to defend her. You're above this, right?So the whole Bible being wrong about Pi is not a problem for you?
Is that not mis-information?
I would like to know who made EGW a prophet and why? how many things that she supposidily prophecied have come about.
That has got to be one of the least intelligent things I have seen produced on here by MVAFree, I understand what you are saying, but of course they had not discovered all of those moons at the time.
You know that the Biblical definition of Pi is 3, when in actuality it is 3.1415926...... But that does not make the Bible any less relevant to us.
If she really were seeing Saturn and it was from God she would have seen many more moons (I believe it's 60+) instead of just touting the common thought of the day. Also, this was the convincing evidence for Bates to let go of his doubts about her and accept her as a 'prophetess', even though what she saw was incorrect. Pretty convenient endorsement!
In CHRIST alone...
Salvation is IN Christ alone, not through our own works.Instead of working your own salvation with trembling and fear, you guys specialize on tearing down others.
Instead of working your own salvation with trembling and fear, you guys specialize on tearing down others.
You aren't in Kansas anymore Dorothy. We actually have free and open discussion on any topic we wish in here, unfettered and unhindered by the likes of you.
So, if you don't like it...
There's the door. Tradland over there awaits you with open arms.
Instead of working your own salvation with trembling and fear, you guys specialize on tearing down others.
PHP 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,
PHP 2:13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.
The specific exhortation was to work out their own salvation. The biblical concept of salvation needs to be understood in order to comprehend Paul's intent here. Salvation has many aspects, including a present one. Regeneration initiates the believer into a life with obligations. Acknowledging Jesus Christ as Lord obligates the believer to obey him. Hence, working out salvation does not mean "working for" salvation, but making salvation operational. Justification must be followed by the experiential aspects of sanctification, by which the new life in Christ is consciously appropriated and demonstrated. The emphasis on "your" salvation ("your own," KJV) may reflect the circumstance that Paul wished to visit Philippi to advance them spiritually. In the event that he could not, they must not depend on him but must work out their spiritual progress, because the same Lord who would work through Paul also worked in them.
"With fear and trembling" is no contradiction of the joyful spirit permeating this letter. Christian joy is the experience of every believer in God's will, but holy fear of God that trembles at the thought of sin is also the attitude of the careful Christian dames 4:8-10).
Philippians 2And where in the Bible does it say you have to work your own salvation with trembling and fear? Oh no verse so report for you!
...for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purposePhilippians 2
"12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyednot only in my presence, but now much more in my absencecontinue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose."
It is interesting how some people are prone to taking unclear verses and making them weapons to denigrate others. Such as working out your salvation in fear and trembling.
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