Echarist question

benedictaoo · Feb 27, 2008

Rhamiel said:
see, so it is not just the crazy and those who are attacked by demons, other people can be suicidal as well

yeah but there is so much we don't know about ppl's state of mind.

I am of the opinion that any one who wants to do this and does it, is indeed not right to some degree.

BAFRIEND · Feb 27, 2008

Traditionally, The Church has held that the act of suicide is denying the infinite mercy of God. The Church would deny a funeral Mass and burial because the act was seen as an act of despair.

Michie · Feb 27, 2008

BAFRIEND said:
Traditionally, The Church has held that the act of suicide is denying the infinite mercy of God. The Church would deny a funeral Mass and burial because the act was seen as an act of despair.

But not anymore.

Thank God.

Catholic Christian · Feb 27, 2008

Yes, suicide is not always a rationally thought out act. And we don't know if, during their last breath, they repented and asked God to forgive them. If they did, and it was sincere, then they could be in heaven.

BAFRIEND · Feb 27, 2008

Michie said:
But not anymore.

Thank God.

That is metaphysics.

The Church has not given everyone a blanket excuse to cut their lives short.

Michie · Feb 27, 2008

BAFRIEND said:
That is metaphysics.

The Church has not given everyone a blanket excuse to cut their lives short.

No. Of course not. But the Church has learned that depression, etc. Is a disease where oftentimes the person is not thinking rationally.

Lilmissykato · Feb 27, 2008

Catholic Christian said:
Yes, suicide is not always a rationally thought out act. And we don't know if, during their last breath, they repented and asked God to forgive them. If they did, and it was sincere, then they could be in heaven.

Yay for God's mercy

Catholic Christian · Feb 27, 2008

I think the point is: Yes, intentionally commiting suicide is a mortal sin. BUT: As, I said, we don't know if, during their last breath, they repented. If they did so sincerely, then they may be in heaven, And since we DON'T know, we cannot refuse them a Mass.

Lilmissykato · Feb 27, 2008

Well CC, I agree, I am just confused if a person who has sucidal thoughts is able to take Holy Communion

Michie · Feb 27, 2008

Lilmissykato said:
Well CC, I agree, I am just confused if a person who has sucidal thoughts is able to take Holy Communion

My own personal opinion?

Yes. Because if it is caused by chemical imbalance or whatever, they cannot really control those thoughts.

There is a difference between thoughts of suicide & outright entertaining/planning suicide.

benedictaoo · Feb 28, 2008

Lilmissykato said:
Well CC, I agree, I am just confused if a person who has sucidal thoughts is able to take Holy Communion

they need to talk to their priest about it and discern this with him. as with any sin situation, the priest can help discern what's mortal.

FullyMT · Feb 28, 2008

If a person doesn't know they are in mortal sin, they should receive communion (because if you don't know you've committed a mortal sin, you aren't in mortal sin). Since I'm not a priest, I can't say whether or not your friend should receive communion, but that person should receive Communion if they aren't sure about it (when in doubt remember: Jesus is merciful and wants us to receive His grace) AND talk to a priest about all of this.

FullyMT · Feb 28, 2008

Also, your friend needs to see a psychiatrist if they are not already.

Rhamiel · Feb 28, 2008

your friend is in my prayers

Catholic Christian · Feb 28, 2008

Lilmissykato said:
Well CC, I agree, I am just confused if a person who has sucidal thoughts is able to take Holy Communion

You do know who I am, don't you?

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