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Eat Me!

That was exactly what Jesus said.


Joh 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Joh 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Joh 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

Joh 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

Joh 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

Joh 6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.


And:

Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Joh 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

Joh 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.


Because in eating Him our soul will experience another Life. Jesus that lives from out of us.


Joh 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.


By eating Him Jesus will be on earth again.


Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:


Because this eating has the power to do it. To manifest Jesus.


But human beings has a brain.


And this brain is unfortunately used to sin. To understand the Word of God.



But the Word cannot be understood. The Word was not sent for that purpose. The Word was sent to be Life unto us.


So we need to eat it and babies need to drink it.


1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:



And God’s gifts know what they are doing.


Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:


They speak the Truth in Love and God’s children grow.


This speaking does not origin in the brain. Nor is it understanding coming from interpretation .



This speaking is God creating. And man is studying the Word and interpretating it and understanding it. But man is not growing. Because growing in the Life has not been given to man’s understanding and man’s interpretation. And by this understanding man create his doctrines. And man has no life because of “his doctrines”.


Growing can only come from God.


1Co 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.


And this comes by revelation and not understanding.


1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.


All these things are a mystery


Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Mar 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.


So let us not be amazed when we see that some “think” they see.


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That is not what communion is about. Paul said we are one body because we eat of that body and He was talking about what they offered when they came together every week. Therefore the communion is the Lord's body and blood just as Paul said the cup which we drink is it not the communion of the blood of Christ ?


I believe however God will be merciful and not hold it against any of you and you will suffer no loss if you have not been witnessed with power by the church not even having been invited to church but I think you may not even need to go to church if there is an acceptable reason not to but maybe you should because there maybe no bad reason sometimes

He will give you the Holy Spirit

But I believe the witnessing that we must accept and desire it is that which comes to you even though you are just repenting and wanting the truth


However to be sure you will have no loss you should join the church and take communion if you are convicted that may be what the bible teaches and you feel God wants you to respond to it


Anyway if communion is necessary those who repent will all be witnessed to I believe but perhaps also there will be people who benefit just by responding to preaching but I think they ought to be witnessed to I don't know if they should respond without being witnessed to as those not saved by works who believe just based on someone's preaching


As for myself I will not seek to be saved as an orthodox if it is necessary to be without having witnessed myself orthodoxy is necessary and blameless while I see that everyone who repents sees it is true


But I will not stop others from following what they think they should and if I am worthy God will show me orthodoxy is blameless like what I teach

I don't like the idea that to divide a family who is Christian but not orthodox because one wants to be orthodox I don't think it is right but if It is right I must not oppose it . Should they be offended if you don't judge them and you think good of them and hope and you don't say you know but you want to be orthodox to experience it ? If they loved their children they would want them to go to heaven and not hurt them

I've never had to make that decision and to decide it is right because I am talking about changing to a church you think is right but you do not know as a Christian so I can't tell. I think I would convert if I think I found another church was the true church but it would seem to cause divisions. Much if not all of my family including relatives are orthodox except few people they are married to. And they converted to orthodox but it may be because they had to while seeing no difference. I think of my family as them strong that they already know they are in the right faith so it wouldn't affect them and others would convert if they believe from me I found the truth but I don't know what I would do if I thought them doubting their Christianity or that they are hurt by you making them doubt the character of God they have in their mind and that it may not be the time to reconsider their assumptions without hurting them but I think to myself I would want the truth above all.

I hate to compare the requirement to convert the same as to non Christians who are clearly in the wrong and some know it.

In conclusion as for me I choose to be just as the Protestant who needs proof that orthodoxy is blameless and he is witnessed to with power but I go to church because I was born orthodox and make no stumbling block to my family but I am not sure I will see any proof but if I do I will tell you so I won't benefit alone. That is if God wants me to see proof but He may save me without it as a Protestant who was not witnessed to or He may allow me to see proof them having to see the proof themselves from others which they certainly will if they repent

Orthodoxy may not convert people by arguments alone but Paul said by demonstration of the Spirit and as Phillip said to Nathaniel come and see. That is come and see what God is doing in the lives of the members of the church which you know about. We should also be able to do miracles but we need good fruit or we will be condemned but jesus also sent out judas but Jesus only heals people who have faith but it is clear from others that they were sick. Even when it was said they all came to Him and He healed them all they all had faith. When the disciples asked why we could not cast out He said because of your unbelief and Jesus said when He comes back will Ge really find faith ?
 
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Sorry if you think I am being offensive when I plan to only be on defensive. I should preach Christ or orthodoxy only to non Christians not to Protestants but jesus did teach communion He never said it would stop but He also did not say He would insist on it but blasphemy of the Spirit is only unforgivable sin. That is to be drawn and not want to look at the evidence because of a bad heart and not because of concern. As before the sacrifice of the lamb was necessary in Old Testament but God sometimes accepted no sacrifice as long as one accepted the need for atonement and that God gave him permission not to offer because they knew He would provide atonement as He told Adam He would provide through messiah and they passed it on not knowing who could provide atonement though saying to love the neighbor is more than the burnt offering atleast for Gentiles. And david ate the show bread. We should be afraid but He can make exceptions

I didn't mean to cause Protestants doubt they are Christians. Please tell me if I am and why so I know to be more sensitive to weak Protestants. I think you may not do this so I want to apologise and say you may not have understood my post for I meant it not to cause any offense and so if it does I do not agree with it
 
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That was exactly what Jesus said.


Joh 6...

It is unfortunate that people often skip this, when they speak about John 6.

It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is useless. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.
John 6:63
 
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It is unfortunate that people often skip this, when they speak about John 6.

It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is useless. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.
John 6:63
Amen. His Words are Alive and Powerfull.
 
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I am willing to accept your interpretation but I'm not convinced all of you really believe your interpretation and those who do refer me to no websites that explain or convince me

Never do that brother. Only the Spirit can "interpret" for you. Just take this to Him. It has to come via Him. That way this will be your "experience". Your brain should be "out of the way". That way Jesus can be "the Way"

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Communion is but the sign of what you should experience with the Spirit.
 
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