Earthly Mother

[Rhamiel]

I have seen some Christians use such odd terms for Mary

She is called the "birth Mother of Jesus" or the "Earthly Mother of Jesus"

Mary did give birth to Jesus, but the term "birth mother" is normally only used in modern culture for children who are adopted.... so I am kind of confused to hear it used in this context, is this a Biblical term?

sometimes she is called the "Earthly Mother of Jesus"
Jesus has no other mother, why make such a distinction?

 

[topcare]

Because they are afraid that calling Mary the Blessed Mother or anything like that is to Catholic and close to Worship. The "Earthly Mother of Jesus" is something I sadly learned and used as an Evangelical Protestant when I didn't know the truth about the Blessed Mother.

A lot of it also comes from the errant idea that everything must be in the Bible and nothing else matters shun history and everything else, very pervasive in Evangelical Protestantism

 

[concretecamper]

I can understand why the evangelical Christians whose denominations have sprouted up within the past 100 years give Mary the dis. What confuses me is all the Main Line Protestants who claim that their denomination follows the Early Council of the Church. Go read the docs from Ephesus in 431 AD and try to square it with what is said by some posting on CF. It is downright astonishing.

 

[Albion]

I have seen some Christians use such odd terms for Mary

She is called the "birth Mother of Jesus" or the "Earthly Mother of Jesus"

I believe you are referring to DESCRIPTIONS of Mary, not to terms of honor or the kinds of titles that Catholics have created for her.

Many times on these forums, we are asked what we think of Mary--or, to be more accurate, are accused of not giving her her due. Therefore, it is almost unavoidable that there'd be wording like the above used in order to be as precise as possible and forestall, if possible, any further misrepresentation of our views.

I guess it isn't possible, as we can see from this thread.

Because they are afraid that calling Mary the Blessed Mother or anything like that is to Catholic

Ah, yes. When I was a Roman Catholic, we were repeatedly taught that. It came with the other biggies--that the only reason everyone isn't Catholic is that some people refuse to do what they know God wants them to do...and that all Protestant girls are easy since, after all, being Protestant is tantamount to being non-religious.

 

[Rhamiel]

I do not call my mom my "earthly mother" or my "birth mother"
she is just my Mom

 

[Albion]

I do not call my mom my "earthly mother" or my "birth mother"
she is just my Mom

Go back one post and read about the difference between "calling" and offering a description about that person to someone else.

 

[barryatlake]

Funny how far off all the modern Protestant churches have evolved from their founding fathers-

"It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a Virgin."

Martin Luther




"To this day we cannot enjoy the blessing brought to us in Christ without thinking at the same time of that which God gave as adornment and honour to Mary, in willing her to be the mother of his only-begotten Son."

John Calvin



"I firmly believe that Mary, according to the words of the gospel as a pure Virgin brought forth for us the Son of God and in childbirth and after childbirth forever remained a pure, intact Virgin."

Ulrich Zwingli




I believe... he [Jesus Christ] was born of the blessed Virgin, who, as well after as she brought him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin.

John Wesley

 

[PaladinValer]

Because unfortunately, American-style Evangelical Protestantism leans heavily Nestorian.

Quite honestly, I'm personally beginning to question the validity of their baptisms, due to the inherent denial of the Nicene Creed by Nestorianism.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Because unfortunately, American-style Evangelical Protestantism leans heavily Nestorian.

Quite honestly, I'm personally beginning to question the validity of their baptisms, due to the inherent denial of the Nicene Creed by Nestorianism.

That is probably quite reasonable as many, such as the Baptists, have rejected infant baptism for centuries. These, of course, include far more than American-style Evangelical Protestants and predate them by centuries.

 

[PaladinValer]

That is probably quite reasonable as many, such as the Baptists, have rejected infant baptism for centuries. These, of course, include far more than American-style Evangelical Protestants and predate them by centuries.

That has nothing to do with my reply.

 

[bbbbbbb]

That has nothing to do with my reply.

You questioned the validity of their baptisms, no? I cited examples of various other Protestant denominations that either question or deny the validity of infant baptism which, if I am not mistaken, is the practice of the Anglican Church. Thus, the disrespect seems to be mutual.

 

[PaladinValer]

You questioned the validity of their baptisms, no?

I said I am beginning to, not that I have come to a conclusion. That is, after all, the actual meaning of the English I used.

I cited examples of various other Protestant denominations that either question or deny the validity of infant baptism which, if I am not mistaken, is the practice of the Anglican Church. Thus, the disrespect seems to be mutual.

And the comment is a Straw Man based on the above mishandling of English.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I said I am beginning to, not that I have come to a conclusion. That is, after all, the actual meaning of the English I used.

And the comment is a Straw Man based on the above mishandling of English.

I apologize for having derailed this thread and having misunderstood your post. Do you have any other thoughts concerning the fact that Mary was the woman chosen by God to bear His Son into the world in human form?

 

[Albion]

I apologize for having derailed this thread and having misunderstood your post. Do you have any other thoughts concerning the fact that Mary was the woman chosen by God to bear His Son into the world in human form?

Oh oh! You said "bear His Son into the world in human form." According one of our posters here, that proves that you don't know the truth about her.

I'm not for certain what "truth" you are missing, whether it's that she didn't give birth to the Son, that he didn't take on human form, or that he wasn't born into this world, but I'm sure it doesn't really matter. You didn't use the approved words, that's all.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Oh oh! You said "bear His Son into the world in human form." According one of our posters here, that proves that you don't know the truth about her.

I'm not for certain what "truth" you are missing, whether it's that she didn't give birth to the Son, that he didn't take on human form, or that he wasn't born into this world, but I'm sure it doesn't really matter. You didn't use the approved words, that's all.

Oops! I repent in dust and ashes.

 

[Metal Minister]

Because they are afraid that calling Mary the Blessed Mother or anything like that is to Catholic and close to Worship. The "Earthly Mother of Jesus" is something I sadly learned and used as an Evangelical Protestant when I didn't know the truth about the Blessed Mother.

A lot of it also comes from the errant idea that everything must be in the Bible and nothing else matters shun history and everything else, very pervasive in Evangelical Protestantism

The above is, sadly, one of the most commonly used misrepresentations of Sola Scriptura. Please stop beating this dead straw horse....

 

[Albion]

The above is, sadly, one of the most commonly used misrepresentations of Sola Scriptura. Please stop beating this dead straw horse....

Very true. It's a flat-out misrepresentation of Sola Scriptura--and this after all of us have explained , and explained again, the real meaning until we're blue in the face.

 

[barryatlake]

But it's true.

Because they are afraid that calling Mary the Blessed Mother or anything like that is to Catholic and close to Worship. The "Earthly Mother of Jesus" is something I sadly learned and used as an Evangelical Protestant when I didn't know the truth about the Blessed Mother.

A lot of it also comes from the errant idea that everything must be in the Bible and nothing else matters shun history and everything else, very pervasive in Evangelical Protestantism

 

[bbbbbbb]

I cannot remember any time in my life where I heard Catholics refer to God as the Holy Father, Dispenser of All Graces, Co-Mediator, etc.

 

[topcare]

The above is, sadly, one of the most commonly used misrepresentations of Sola Scriptura. Please stop beating this dead straw horse....

Not really. I was a Sola Scripturaist and evangelical for a long time before I seen the light. I kow of what I speak