Dungeons & Dragons...

[Naskiel]

The demi-plane I hail from is most associated with this concept known as "Dungeons & Dragons"...It even tells of the Arch Dukes of the Nine Hells, who I have yet to face in combat with my allies!

I'm a cleric of Jehovah (though Pelor still helps me) , with my friend Morg Wolfsong, a druid of the forests, with his worg companion Darkfang. Though I still have other allies such as Gunther, the duel wielding fighter who only cares for himself, Inzo, the persistant Ranger who acts before he thinks, the weilder of Frostbane (An intelligent Ice Greatsword, magically enhanced) Drassk, and lastly, my brother who is lost to me (I believe he died in Van Morgans tomb from a deck of Tarot cards), a wizard possessed by both a pyromaniac, and the God of Fire, Hetotetzel, at the same time!

We are to stop the Shadow God we released and bring peace and stabability back to the realms...

May Jehovahs Glory shine upon our journey!

 

[SteelDisciple]

Watch out for those Gelatinous cubes. They can be a bother. Especially when the slime gets on your armor.

 

[Naskiel]

Yep, I've had a run in with those damned cubes...
Didn't turn out the best for the party : )

 

[Dannager]

Yep, I've had a run in with those damned cubes...
Didn't turn out the best for the party : )

That Pen & Paper forum up there might be what you're looking for.

 

[Nakadek]

[rant]Does this even in the least bit seem holy and uplifting of God? Think about that. All these magic and spells are quite abundant in D&D...

It's incredibly anti-Christian.

Yep, I've had a run in with those damned cubes...

Please watch the language.[/rant]




Nak

 

[Dannager]

[rant]Does this even in the least bit seem holy and uplifting of God?

Neither does Monopoly but I haven't heard of anyone objecting to that.

Think about that. All these magic and spells are quite abundant in D&D...

It's incredibly anti-Christian.

Only if you're utterly unable to separate fantasy from reality. You should try playing sometime, just to see what it's actually like.

Please watch the language.[/rant]

"Damned" is allowed on these boards, as far as I'm aware.

 

[WhirlwindMonk]

[rant]Does this even in the least bit seem holy and uplifting of God? Think about that. All these magic and spells are quite abundant in D&D...

It's incredibly anti-Christian.

Please watch the language.[/rant]

Nak

Someone failed their wisdom check. Maybe even with a natural 1.

 

[CayiroRedemption]

[rant]Does this even in the least bit seem holy and uplifting of God? Think about that. All these magic and spells are quite abundant in D&D...

It's incredibly anti-Christian.

Please watch the language.[/rant]

Nak

Well, if you're wanting to call the game anti-Christian, by all means, please give the game a try before you do so! I've enjoyed playing many a game of D&D over the years, and about the most blasphemic thing I've done in said game was eat -way- too many cheetos or drink the last can of soda in the house.

The reason many people associate Dungeons and Dragons with anti-Christian thoughts is based on a couple rare occassions where someone unfortunately blurs the line between fantasy and reality. I assure you, Nak, that hundreds of thousands of games of D&D go on across the country and around the world every day, with nothing worse than the occassional paper cut as a result.

As for your concern for all the spells used, the names of in-game gods, and things of the sort, please allow me, as an avid D&D player, to comfort your fears: When you play, all you do is sit around in a room with pieces of paper in front of you that have your fictionial character information in front of you. You say what your character does, you say what your character would say, and occassionally you roll a twenty-sided dice, then plead with the Dungeon Master (the person who is controlling the spoken game) when you inevitably roll a 1. (1 is bad, 20 is good.)

Dungeons and Dragons is highly popular as a fictional game. It is because of the "fiction" aspect that many players find it popular. You step out of reality in order to play, with the full understanding that everything that is going on in the game is fictional, and not reality.

In my personal opinion, (and you can feel free to disagree with me on this, I'm entitled to my opinion just as you are entitled to yours), so long as you understand that a thick, black line exists between the fantasy world of the game and the real world that we all live in, a bunch of people crowded into a room with snacks and drinks can't do any real harm to themselves or anyone else.


Naskiel, may I take this opportunity to say that it sounds as if you have a fun game going. Good luck and godspeed on your quest to stop the Shadow God, and next time, maybe think twice about letting someone open that box that warns "Shadow God inside, do not open."

And remember, when faced with an angry dragon who has not yet had his breakfast, you needn't outrun the dragon...

...only the slowest member of your party.

 

[Dannager]

And remember, when faced with an angry dragon who has not yet had his breakfast, you needn't outrun the dragon...

...only the slowest member of your party.

Expeditious retreat doesn't hurt, though.

 

[CayiroRedemption]

And remember, when faced with an angry dragon who has not yet had his breakfast, you needn't outrun the dragon...

...only the slowest member of your party.

Expeditious retreat doesn't hurt, though.

True, true.

 

[Psalms34]

Well, if you're wanting to call the game anti-Christian, by all means, please give the game a try before you do so!

I did, myself, I ran through the demo twice. Since I’m into mmorpg game design and development I usually give a run-through of any mmog game that I can get my hands on, especially if I can get a demo of it when the content is questionable to begin with. Though D&D can be done in a way that is uplifting for the believer in Christ, DDO is not, so I must agree. And apart from not being up-lifting in any way… or more like a stumbling block for some, the game is really flat to say the least. Maybe not as flat as AO2 was, but it’s down there on nearly the same par. I find this game easily avoidable in regards to both content and playability. Content of course, is always my main deciding factor. What’s the old saying? “Garbage in, garbage out”

Of course I’m addressing D&D Online since this is the video gaming forum and not the p&p forum. I don’t think I’ve seen any d&d based video games that were of the uplifting quality like what my friends and I use to design and play in high school on paper. Generally, it seems like most of these Worldly-Wiseman RPG video games are nothing more than that; to teach you the ways of this world. Not all, but many pass over the threshold of being no more than a stumbling block for those that can walk in maturity.

 

[WhirlwindMonk]

I did, myself, I ran through the demo twice. Since I’m into mmorpg game design and development I usually give a run-through of any mmog game that I can get my hands on, especially if I can get a demo of it when the content is questionable to begin with. Though D&D can be done in a way that is uplifting for the believer in Christ, DDO is not, so I must agree. And apart from not being up-lifting in any way… or more like a stumbling block for some, the game is really flat to say the least. Maybe not as flat as AO2 was, but it’s down there on nearly the same par. I find this game easily avoidable in regards to both content and playability. Content of course, is always my main deciding factor. What’s the old saying? “Garbage in, garbage out”

We aren't talking about the MMO. We're talking about the game that the MMO is based on. Plus, I challenge you to find a MMO done by a reputable company that you wouldn't be able to raise those "problems" with.

 

[Psalms34]

We aren't talking about the MMO. We're talking about the game that the MMO is based on. Plus, I challenge you to find a MMO done by a reputable company that you wouldn't be able to raise those "problems" with.

I already expanded on my post before you posted. Anyway, is not D&D Online, d&d? I played p&p for years, I know what it is and I still have many books of it. DDO is d&d and based on the true incarnation of the rules and themes.

Challenge? There is Ark of the Covenant, Voice of His Word, Foundations of Hope (to be released in December) and I know of two or more Christian based mmorpg’s that will be released in the coming year or so. Also for neutral based mmo’s there is PlanetSide, World War II Online, Pirates of the Burning Sea, Anarchy Online, Sims Online, EVE, and the list goes on. But there are lots of games full of the Occult which are best to be avoided.

 

[peanutbutter12]

Sims Online

Oh yes, a great game... since it's nothing more than a huge virtual cybersex chatroom.

I laugh everytime someone brings up things like D&D on these boards. What starts out as a poster trying to talk to people about a game they enjoy always seems to get taken over by people who want to debate, call it evil, or just troll through. You can't even have a conversation here about things like this because it always turns into an argument of good vs evil. Blah

CJ

 

[Psalms34]

Oh yes, a great game... since it's nothing more than a huge virtual cybersex chatroom.

I laugh everytime someone brings up things like D&D on these boards. What starts out as a poster trying to talk to people about a game they enjoy always seems to get taken over by people who want to debate, call it evil, or just troll through. You can't even have a conversation here about things like this because it always turns into an argument of good vs evil. Blah

CJ

You can’t handle the truth so I’m labeled a Troll? How sad…
It’s funny how in this forum some can post their views but others are automatically labeled such things when they bring up the subject that such things as this just do not jive with scripture. We can please man, please God or please ourselves, it’s a decission we all must make at some point. Mat 18:9

As for the troll crack, I actually had to make some adjustments to see your post at first... oh, there it's gone again, shucks!
But what was I expecting *shrugs*

 

[Dannager]

Challenge? There is Ark of the Covenant, Voice of His Word, Foundations of Hope (to be released in December) and I know of two or more Christian based mmorpg’s that will be released in the coming year or so.

The key word here is "reputable".

Also for neutral based mmo’s there is PlanetSide, World War II Online, Pirates of the Burning Sea, Anarchy Online, Sims Online, EVE, and the list goes on. But there are lots of games full of the Occult which are best to be avoided.

So your sole determination for what makes a game neutral as opposed to a stumbling block is the inclusion of fantasy magic? Seriously, how many people actually find that they are in danger of practicing nonsense magic due to playing fantasy games?

 

[Dannager]

You can’t handle the truth so I’m labeled a Troll? How sad…

Your opinion is hardly our truth.

It’s funny how in this forum some can post their views but others are automatically labeled such things when they bring up the subject that such things as this just do not jive with scripture. We can please man, please God or please ourselves, it’s a decission we all must make at some point. Mat 18:9

No, we label you as a troll when you enter a thread for the sole purpose of defaming its topic rather than to actually discuss the game. That's kind of the definition of internet troll, Faith_Warrior.

As for the troll crack, I actually had to make some adjustments to see your post at first... oh, there it's gone again, shucks!
But what was I expecting *shrugs*

You can't handle the truth so you ignore posters? (See, I can use that crack too) How sad.

 

[Nakadek]

[rant]*sigh* How it saddens me to see so many deceived over such an "innocent" game.

EXODUS 22:18

Do not allow a sorceress to live.

LEVITICUS 20:6

I will set my face against the person who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute himself by following them, and I will cut him off from his people.

DEUTERONOMY 18:10-12

Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his own son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.

(emphasis added)

I fail to see that if the Bible condemns it, that is is OK to do as long as you "don't take it seriously" or if "realize it's not real". I hate to burst your bubble, but it IS real. Why else would the Bible have verses about witchcraft and sorcery in it if it was "just fantasy"?

Think about it: Is it OK to be a virtual harlot if you "don't take it seriously"; even though the Bible condemns it? Of course not! Than why is witchcraft "OK" if the Bible condemns that too? Because today's society has made all that is wrong and sinful very puffy and popular and "OK".

THINK brothers and sisters in Christ! Add up the math (even though it may hurt) and you'll see! I am not trying to troll, but help you! If left alone, Christians playing D&D can be a very bad influence! Ignore me if you want, but I WILL NOT stand for the Truth to be lost away in society's lies! It is against every bone in my body to do so.

Delete this post, fine.

Ban me, fine.

But I will stand up for the Bible, even if no one else does anymore.

Seriously, how many people actually find that they are in danger of practicing nonsense magic due to playing fantasy games?

You'd be surprised. I know of one girl who tried witchcraft because she was obsessed with Avatar: The Last Airbender. Also, people who play such games do not view themselves in danger. Magic is not nonsense, it is real and seriously anti-God.

Well, if you're wanting to call the game anti-Christian, by all means, please give the game a try before you do so!

"'Come into my parlor', said the spider to the fly."

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Nak

 

[WhirlwindMonk]

In Internet terminology, a troll is often someone who comes into an established community such as an online discussion forum, and posts inflammatory, rude, repetitive or offensive messages designed intentionally to annoy or antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion, including the personal attack of calling others trolls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

 

[Psalms34]

So we should just all fold our hands and accept anything that is presented? That’s just not the version of Christianity that the Bible teaches. We are here kicking over the moneychangers tables!! You are not the moneychanger and no one is calling you anything “inflammatory”. But sadly, people get that feeling when their prized game or lifestyle comes under direct attack, they take it personally (which game or lifestyle actually is the first attack). It has a hold on those that participate; it’s sucking the life from their veins. Those that loose much blood feel no pain at first, but only woozy and unknowing to what has befallen them. There has been no direct attacks against anyone, if I’m a troll because I inflame evil than so be it, some games are e-v-i-l! and should be avoided.
Prov 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.