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I'm failing to see why it's trotted out like an accomplishment to have nineteen children and only one known incestuous child molester in the bunch.
I'm not in the position to judge who belongs to God or not. So if someone repents and ask forgiveness I'm commandment to forgive them. Jesus even warns us let the tares and wheat grow together unless you uproot the wheat. He will separate the tares and wheat after the harvest.The blood of Christ is not whitewash. Christ was rather famously against spiritual whitewashing. If anything, one's wrongs and shortcomings should become all the more apparent--all the more transparent. The blood of Christ should make guileless. open books of us to the world and ourselves, with our exteriors depicting as truly as possible our interiors.
Be cautious of those who appear as white as snow.
Be careful. Peter lied when he told Jesus he would never deny him but he did as Jesus said he would. Jesus never called Peter a hypocrite.QFT. They are an obvious failure at parenthood and an obvious failure in their own professed beliefs, and that's not to mention, being lying hypocrites.
Be careful. Peter lied when he told Jesus he would never deny him but he did as Jesus said he would. Jesus never called Peter a hypocrite.
I wonder if the victims wants this broadcast all over the news. It seems everyone wants to speak for the victims. Who cares about victims when this make good news story.
If God is in control, He evidently wanted it brought into the light. Maybe the girls need to know that what happened to them was not their fault. ATI teaches that if something like that happens, it is the girls fault, not the fault of the male (in this case their brother) who molested them. Maybe God wants them to learn that this teaching is not correct and that they are not at fault. They probably need to know that so that they can heal.
I'm not in the position to judge who belongs to God or not. So if someone repents and ask forgiveness I'm commandment to forgive them. Jesus even warns us let the tares and wheat grow together unless you uproot the wheat. He will separate the tares and wheat after the harvest.
Ok. King David then.
By Red Fox
It's so deplorable to blame a girl for being molested or blame a woman for being sexually assaulted, and I don't care how it's spun to fit their religious beliefs.
Most people raise non-criminals. Color me unimpressed.
I never said there wasn't consequences for you sin. When a drunk get saved he still has to live with the damage causes of his wild life. I mention he is still accountable to his victims. I agree with you for example if I cheated on my wife that part of the repentance is being accountable to my wife who I hurt. I do all I can to rebuild that thrust I have broken.I am in agreement with what you've said here.
I'm a little puzzled as to why your answered my post with this observation though. Maybe I'm missing some connection. I don't think anything I said amounted to judging as to who belongs to God and who doesn't (speaking metaphorically in my case of course).
I was actually assuming Josh has corrected his behavior. What I was trying to address was that repentance is its own subject and not an easy one. What I would suggest to Josh at this point in his life, in the incredibly unlikely event I would be in a position to make a suggestion, is that he earn his living in some other way than working with the public for a season, perhaps in building houses as he did as a teenager. Even St. Paul and Christ himself spent a period of time in manual labor, so that suggestion isn't meant to shame him.
Saying you're sorry, really meaning it, and stopping your wrong-doing is not all there is to repentance, and part of what there is to it is learning to be humble and transparent. Being caught out in a scandal was a good indication that he was in the wrong place in his career and needed to do a turn-around, not because we are unforgiving but because his position was shown by this not to be a good fit.
Repentance is like a lifetime spiral. You keep coming back around to it. Why and how you were sorry at one point is not always exactly why and how you will be sorry forever. What you understood as a teenager is not what you understand as a young adult or what you will understand in middle ago or as an elder. We keep framing and re-framing the events of our lives, not because we are unforgiven or wallowing in guilt but because our perspective expands.
King David wasn't a hypocrite just because he ended up judging his own self. Nathen who loved King David didn't say " Thou are a hypocrite" but he said "Thou are the man...." David judge the man who stole the lamb and sentence him to death which was beyond what the law required. David was eating up with guilt. No doubt David's enemies called him a hypocrite while he friend who knew him well didn't. After David repented I serious doubt Nathen ever brought up David sin again.Good example.
Though he repented, his life was never quite the same after his affair with Bathsheba. There were layers to his sorrow that surfaced over time as more and more consequences to his actions revealed themselves.
What gets me is people criticized them as being in a cult when get look around and see the nonsense the world (public schools) is trying to teach our children. The public schools is grounded in materialism and humanism.Did the Duggers blame the little girls for the molestation? That would be a HUGE issue against the Duggers. Please post a credible reference that proves that the Duggers blame the little girls for being molested.
I never said there wasn't consequences for you sin. When a drunk get saved he still has to live with the damage causes of his wild life. I mention he is still accountable to his victims. I agree with you for example if I cheated on my wife that part of the repentance is being accountable to my wife who I hurt. I do all I can to rebuild that thrust I have broken.
In this case I'm an outsider so there is no reason at all for me to bring up a sin that's been place under the blood.
King David wasn't a hypocrite just because he ended up judging his own self. Nathen who loved King David didn't say " Thou are a hypocrite" but he said "Thou are the man...." David judge the man who stole the lamb and sentence him to death which was beyond what the law required. David was eating up with guilt. No doubt David's enemies called him a hypocrite while he friend who knew him well didn't. After David repented I serious doubt Nathen ever brought up David sin again.
That's bad?What gets me is people criticized them as being in a cult when get look around and see the nonsense the world (public schools) is trying to teach our children. The public schools is grounded in materialism and humanism.
Did the Duggers blame the little girls for the molestation? That would be a HUGE issue against the Duggers. Please post a credible reference that proves that the Duggers blame the little girls for being molested.
What gets me is people criticized them as being in a cult when get look around and see the nonsense the world (public schools) is trying to teach our children. The public schools is grounded in materialism and humanism.
What gets me is people criticized them as being in a cult when get look around and see the nonsense the world (public schools) is trying to teach our children. The public schools is grounded in materialism and humanism.
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