Drinking in college

[osamuelo]

I go to a small college and (like at most colleges) drinking is prevalent at parties and such. Most of my friends drink. I've heard all sorts of things about Christians drinking, from 'yes you can do it, but in moderation' to 'drunkedness (at any level) is a sin'. What are your thoughts on this? Should a Christian in college not drink at all? Another problem with this is that everyone is doing it so it's extremely difficult to just ignore what they're doing and still hang out with them. Thank you all and God bless.

 

[Incariol]

I go to a small college and (like at most colleges) drinking is prevalent at parties and such. Most of my friends drink. I've heard all sorts of things about Christians drinking, from 'yes you can do it, but in moderation' to 'drunkedness (at any level) is a sin'. What are your thoughts on this? Should a Christian in college not drink at all? Another problem with this is that everyone is doing it so it's extremely difficult to just ignore what they're doing and still hang out with them. Thank you all and God bless.

I drink. Shots of tequila a couple nights ago. I prefer to live life and not be puritanical.

 

[Sailorgirl13]

I personally don't drink (yes, I'm underage, but let's face it, I've had ample opportunity to at party's if I chose to)
For me, I've had bad experience with people who drink and that's been a deterrent.
On a biblical level,
"Your eyes will see strange sights, and your mind will imagine confusing things. You will be like sleeping on the high seas, lying on top of the rigging. "They hit me," you will say, "but I'm not hurt! They beat me, but I don't feel it!
When will I wake up so I can find another drink?"
~Proverbs 23:33-35

To me that's a powerful passage, relevant to anyone and very accurate at describing a drunken state of mind. Drinking a bit, a few glasses for pleasure amongst friends I see no problem with because that's not likely to induce drunkenness.

"Do not conform to the patten of this world, but be transformed but the renewing of your mind. then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is - his good, pleasing and perfect will."
~Romans 12:2

Again, this verse is so relevant to today's society.
Think about it, pray about it and make good decisions. Hope that helped

 

[osamuelo]

Thanks a lot for the advice guys.

 

[Imaginary]

In my opinion it's okay to drink if you can control yourself and have the right intentions. Ephesians 5:18 Do not get drunk on wine which leads to debauchery, instead be filled with the spirit.
God bless.

 

[cRIO]

Well, Jesus turns water to wine, right? I'd call that a sign.

 

[StickwithJesus]

“I am the Snake that giveth Knowledge & Delight and bright glory, and stir the hearts of men with drunkenness. To worship me take wine and strange drugs whereof I will tell my prophet, & be drunk thereof! They shall not harm ye at all. It is a lie, this folly against self. The exposure of innocence is a lie. Be strong, o man! lust, enjoy all things of sense and rapture: fear not that any God shall deny thee for this.”

-The Book of the Law, II:22 - Aleister Crowley

According to the book of the law dictated to Aleister Crowley by a demon; it is perfectly acceptable to drink.

Enjoy

 

[cRIO]

Where exactly did you come to the conclusion that The Book of Law was dictated by a demon? Furthermore, it is not about Christianity; it primarily concerns the Egyptian gods and goddesses. You may as well draw evidence from the Necronomicon and the Gospel of C'thulhu.

On a side note, the Bible advocates stoning rape victims.

Enjoy?

 

[StickwithJesus]

Where exactly did you come to the conclusion that The Book of Law was dictated by a demon? Furthermore, it is not about Christianity; it primarily concerns the Egyptian gods and goddesses. You may as well draw evidence from the Necronomicon and the Gospel of C'thulhu.

I watched a documentary on Alistair Cowley and when they were exploring the merits of "the book of the law" they quoted him and spoke about having the book dictated to him by a demon.

klolbye

On a side note, the Bible advocates stoning rape victims.
Enjoy?

Well I would enjoy it but there's a problem you see; God has a son and he sent his son who then perfected the law of the Bible and he said, "John 8:7 - So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

So yeah there really is a problem there, if I obeyed the old law then I would be disobeying the new covenant Jesus made with his people. So yeah... I'd enjoy but it isn't allowed.

Swag

 

[cRIO]

I watched a documentary on Alistair Cowley and when they were exploring the merits of "the book of the law" they quoted him and spoke about having the book dictated to him by a demon.

I didn't know that. Still, what about my other points? It is about the Egyptian pantheon.

Well I would enjoy it but there's a problem you see; God has a son and he sent his son who then perfected the law of the Bible and he said, "John 8:7 - So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

For reference, the 'it' here refers to stoning rape victims. Furthermore, I direct you to Matthew 5:17-19:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Sounds like the Old Testament is still valid. Of course, should I feel so inclined, I could find passages that directly contradict that, but that's not my goal for today.

However, the most disturbing thing I find in your post is this:

Well I would enjoy it but there's a problem you see;
...
So yeah... I'd enjoy but it isn't allowed.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that you would enjoy stoning innocent victims, but the only thing stopping you is your interpretation of the Bible. I think I'll just leave it at that.

 

[StickwithJesus]

I didn't know that. Still, what about my other points? It is about the Egyptian pantheon.

I said I watched a documentary; I didn't say I was an expert on the book xD

For reference, the 'it' here refers to stoning rape victims. Furthermore, I direct you to Matthew 5:17-19:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

What Jesus said

Sounds like the Old Testament is still valid.

Read Romans

However, the most disturbing thing I find in your post is this:

Nice authoritative tone; or are you immune to comedy?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that you would enjoy stoning innocent victims, but the only thing stopping you is your interpretation of the Bible. I think I'll just leave it at that.

Next time remind me to give an in depth explanation with a joke

 

[cRIO]

I said I watched a documentary; I didn't say I was an expert on the book xD

But you still cite it?

Next time remind me to give an in depth explanation with a joke

Of course, it seems we have run into a problem with the sarcasm font. It's hard to tell if someone is joking or not, and in light of your previous posts, it didn't seem that you were particularly prone to it. Even so, I did say to correct me if I was wrong.

No hard feelings.

 

[DMMullinax]

On a side note, the Bible advocates stoning rape victims.

Enjoy?

What passage in the Bible is this from?

 

[StickwithJesus]

But you still cite it?

When I feel the time calls for it; I simply google the quote because I remember what he said about the "Book of the Law".

Of course, it seems we have run into a problem with the sarcasm font. It's hard to tell if someone is joking or not, and in light of your previous posts, it didn't seem that you were particularly prone to it.

Well most of the time I'm grinning or laughing my *cough* gaskets off every time I post something. I'm not a serious person but on the internet I either sound like an angry/serious dude or a seven year old girl. I'm trying to find the balance but I'm unsuccessful

Even so, I did say to correct me if I was wrong.

You are a man of honour, squire. *salute*

No hard feelings.

Of course not

*le hug*

 

[HarborOrange]

What passage in the Bible is this from?

That's not in the Bible at all. Yes, one is to stone adulterers, but that's a whole different thing. The man that raped the women is to marry her as he took her virginity... Which seems a little bizarre in today's culture. However, in the time, it was necessary as a women who was no longer a virgin and was unmarried would basically be left to starve. (Hence the reason that the Messiah and the Torah teach us to care for the widows and orphans.) That is how it works out. Whoever said that passage exists did not read the Bible correctly.

 

[DMMullinax]

That's not in the Bible at all. Yes, one is to stone adulterers, but that's a whole different thing. The man that raped the women is to marry her as he took her virginity... Which seems a little bizarre in today's culture. However, in the time, it was necessary as a women who was no longer a virgin and was unmarried would basically be left to starve. (Hence the reason that the Messiah and the Torah teach us to care for the widows and orphans.) That is how it works out. Whoever said that passage exists did not read the Bible correctly.

Yeah, I was curious where he was pulling that from, because I've definitely never run across that. Plus it's completely counter God's character from the entirety of the rest of the Bible. It makes absolutely no sense.

 

[cRIO]

My justification:
Dt 22:13-21
13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,
14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:
16 And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;
17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.
18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
19 And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.
20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the harlot in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

So, assuming a woman was raped, and not married to her attacker, then when she did marry she could be stoned. Anyway, what was the Bible's obsessions with virginity and sex?

And what does God have against shrimp?
Lv 11:10
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

 

[HarborOrange]

My justification:
Dt 22:13-21
13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,
14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:
16 And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;
17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.
18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
19 And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.
20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the harlot in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

So, assuming a woman was raped, and not married to her attacker, then when she did marry she could be stoned. Anyway, what was the Bible's obsessions with virginity and sex?

And what does God have against shrimp?
Lv 11:10
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

I'm writing a report right now, but I shall dissect this shortly. First of all, you are using a NKJ translation, which is wrong on many counts.

And what does shrimp have to do with anything? I can shoot that modern misconception down as well, but that's totally unrelated to the topic at hand, haha.

 

[cRIO]

I know. I was just curious. But if some translations have errors, how do you know that others don't?

 

[jonny94]

It's not a sin if you drink moderately. I also drink and I dont think that I do something bad. Relax and enjoy in life.
If you're a christian, it doesnt mean that you have to stop living normal and doing daily things(go out with your friends, listen music etc.). Actually, by doing that you show to others who are not christians that being a christian is not "weird" or "freaky", and that you can be a normal teenager and a believer at the same time. I dont know what is your experience, but I know a lot of people who think that christianity is "boring" and it's not compatible with the modern world. Therefore, the task of christians is to show that this is not true.
So, dont worry and show to others what the life in Christ really is - constant happiness that includes absolutely everything in our life - and not inability to understand the place where we live.