dr. dino's point of view

[archaeologist]

i had the misfortune to enroll in a seminary which used kent hovind's seminar as a text** needless to say, he had/has an interesting point of view.

what reminded me of hovind, {i know he is in jail, unless they gave hm early release} was a book i bought today entitled, 'The Nephilim and the Pyramid of the Apocalypes' by Patrick Heron.

i was reading it on my way back, as i was caught in the usual weekend exodus from Seoul and traffic was not moving that well (understatement).

on page 50 of this book, i came across the author's idea, which is almost an exact copy from Hovind's seminar, that God placed the Gospel and other events in the astrological signs.

now i do not know if this thought has been around for a long time as these are the only two places i have come across such thinking.

anythoughts or links that can date this idea? any updates on Hovind? (i haven't been to his website in quite awhile so i haven't heard anything)

what do you think of Hovind and His seminars, science, thinking?

** after completing several courses, i was booted out for expecting my questions to be answered in a timely manner (the president told me he was busy establishing bible schools all over and dealing with 500 phone calls a day. // he didn't think a student's questions warranted any time).

 

[USincognito]

Back in the 90s I used to listen to a Christian Conspiracy radio show (a melange of Daniel/Revelation/U.N./Illuminati/Satanic/Masonic end times stuff) called The Prophecy Club that also featured guys like Hovind (that's where I first heard of him) and Ron Wyatt. I recall the had one speaker whose entire spiel was that the Gospel was written in the Zodiac. I can't recall that guys name, but a Google search for "gospel+written+stars" produced these results which should give you some idea of how to expand your search.

As far as Hovind goes. I ordered one of his seminar videos back in '95 or '96 and while he was an entertaining watch and, I must admit, almost convincing, I knew he didn't know what he was talking about. Let me give you three examples that I later investigated further (read - after I finally got Internet access).

- The 11' 6" skeleton found "in a salt mine, in Italy in 1856 if I remember correctly." He says as he holds up a "photo" of this supposed giant. One problem though, even on VHS you could look at the paper he's holding and tell it was a charcol or pen and ink drawing. It wasn't a photo and his "in a salt mine, in Italy in 1856" details are embellishments since his source of the photo, Carl Baugh, doesn't claim to know those details.

- He also claims that inside the Kings Chamber of the Great Pyramid Khufu there's a sarcophagus the same dimensions as the Ark of the Covenant. Well, I checked the dimensions on an Egypt website and in the Bible and they're not even close.

- He claims that because Geologists say that Niagara Falls is only 11,000 years old therefore it was caused by Noah's Flood. Two problems right away - Hovind claims the flood happened 4,000 years ago but the uniformitarian obsevations of the Niagara River put it at 11,000 - one of them is wrong. The second problem is that not every surface feature need be millions of years old on an ancient Earth. The area of the Niagara River was under a mile of glaciation until about 20,000 years ago so it's not surprising that the river, and the falls wouldn't be any older than that.

 

[archaeologist]

i have never been a fan of his though one of the few things i could agree with him was that God bringing the young, smaller animals to beon the ark.

when you think about it, it makes sense as many instincts woul dnot be developed, they would be easier to control, take up less space, eat less food and so on.

 

[theFijian]

i have never been a fan of his though one of the few things i could agree with him was that God bringing the young, smaller animals to beon the ark.

when you think about it, it makes sense as many instincts woul dnot be developed, they would be easier to control, take up less space, eat less food and so on.

...and unable to fend for themselves when they came out of the ark.

Anyway the gospel in the stars really doesn't stand up for me. We know from Romans 1 that Creation speaks of God and his hand in making all things, but it is only the Bible which can make us "wise for salvation".

 

[KEPLER]

...and unable to fend for themselves when they came out of the ark.

Anyway the gospel in the stars really doesn't stand up for me. We know from Romans 1 that Creation speaks of God and his hand in making all things, but it is only the Bible which can make us "wise for salvation".

Dude! You have a Joy Division album cover as your Avatar! How COOL is that?!

Oops, sorry, off topic.

 

[laptoppop]

Kent Hovind is not a rigorous scientist. He is a popularist, and often errs in details. That being said, I personally know of folks who have been saved through his ministry, and who have now grown into a more accurate understanding of the issues.

 

[busterdog]

Kent Hovind is not a rigorous scientist. He is a popularist, and often errs in details. That being said, I personally know of folks who have been saved through his ministry, and who have now grown into a more accurate understanding of the issues.

Haven't we all taken that same road...

 

[busterdog]

i had the misfortune to enroll in a seminary which used kent hovind's seminar as a text** needless to say, he had/has an interesting point of view.

what reminded me of hovind, {i know he is in jail, unless they gave hm early release} was a book i bought today entitled, 'The Nephilim and the Pyramid of the Apocalypes' by Patrick Heron.

i was reading it on my way back, as i was caught in the usual weekend exodus from Seoul and traffic was not moving that well (understatement).

on page 50 of this book, i came across the author's idea, which is almost an exact copy from Hovind's seminar, that God placed the Gospel and other events in the astrological signs.

now i do not know if this thought has been around for a long time as these are the only two places i have come across such thinking.

anythoughts or links that can date this idea? any updates on Hovind? (i haven't been to his website in quite awhile so i haven't heard anything)

what do you think of Hovind and His seminars, science, thinking?

** after completing several courses, i was booted out for expecting my questions to be answered in a timely manner (the president told me he was busy establishing bible schools all over and dealing with 500 phone calls a day. // he didn't think a student's questions warranted any time).

Have a listen to Chuck Missler on this. He agrees with Hovind (I think). The idea is that the Mazzaroth was older and ended up being corrupted by Babylonian religion.

http://www.khouse.org/6640/CD116-4/

The more you look the more you do see continuity in the images by which fundamental players and principles are identified.

The constellations go from Virgo (virgin birth) to Leo (the conquring lion of the tribe of Judah). Whether or not you can derive clear meaning from these things, there are too many reliable patterns here for this to be an accident. For example, what is the brightest star in Virgo? Spika, the symbol of a fruitful ear of corn -- ie, fully developed seed, or pregnancy, associated with the Virgin.

Missler is also a popularizer of many things, some successfully and some not.

The Bible contains a series of images in its prophetic structure. These ideas and images endure to this day. Wars will be fought over them. Look at the symbology surrounding, for example, the European Union and the adversaries fighting over Jerusalem. These symbols do not exist and recur by accident. They tell the story of the world.

 

[KerrMetric]

Chuck "The Plagiariser" Missler. What a source. A fine example of a Christian.

 

[archaeologist]

That being said, I personally know of folks who have been saved through his ministry, and who have now grown into a more accurate understanding of the issues.

right but the same thinking applies to TE's, PC's, and other alternatives. just because they save souls their point of view is not validated. it just proves the power of God and the gospel message.

what is taught afterwards will determine if they get on the right track, make an impact for God, belief the truth and so on.

Look at the symbology surrounding, for example, the European Union and the adversaries fighting over Jerusalem. These symbols do not exist and recur by accident. They tell the story of the world.

will you provide some examples please. i am not into symbology.

The more you look the more you do see continuity in the images by which fundamental players and principles are identified.

this is an interesting topic to explore, it is highly possible and the devil could have distorted it by having people 'predict' the future with those symbols giving it a bad connotation so that people would not see the truth of the stars. but i would need a lot more objective material to read giving me both sides before saying much more on it.

Kent Hovind is not a rigorous scientist. He is a popularist, and often errs in details

i can agree with this. i never liked the tangents he went off on as they distracted from what he was saying and undermined his creibility as a creationist speaker. (added too much time to those seminars as well).

**as an aside, even though he should have gone to jail for his crimes, it was sad to see a chrisian misuse the law like that and abuse people, for it makes it so much harder for believers to do God's will, as hovind's actions create a giant stumbling block for non-believers to use to excuse not deciding for Christ.

 

[theFijian]

The constellations go from Virgo (virgin birth) to Leo (the conquring lion of the tribe of Judah). Whether or not you can derive clear meaning from these things, there are too many reliable patterns here for this to be an accident. For example, what is the brightest star in Virgo? Spika, the symbol of a fruitful ear of corn -- ie, fully developed seed, or pregnancy, associated with the Virgin.

What kind of impact does the fact that the constellations were named by man have on this idea?

 

[Rudolph Hucker]

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[busterdog]

What kind of impact does the fact that the constellations were named by man have on this idea?

Is it a fact? Apparently God named the stars.


If I wanted to debunk the idea, the arguments would be obvious. I think the reasoning I offered is sound, but its not bet the ranch kind of stuff.

 

[KerrMetric]

Is it a fact? Apparently God named the stars.

Sad thing is - you're probably not joking.

 

[Assyrian]

Is it a fact? Apparently God named the stars.

For example, what is the brightest star in Virgo? Spika, the symbol of a fruitful ear of corn -- ie, fully developed seed, or pregnancy, associated with the Virgin.

So even back on OT times, God was still speaking Latin?

 

[busterdog]

So even back on OT times, God was still speaking Latin?

That's right.

He also spoke English.

My KJV says so.

 

[KerrMetric]

That's right.

He also spoke English.

My KJV says so.

Your KJV also explicitly states the Trinity and we know that is a false reference.

 

[Willtor]

Your KJV also explicitly states the Trinity and we know that is a false reference.

For those who don't know, Kerr is referring to the controversial Comma that was controversial even in the time of Erasmus and which he regretted including in the Textus Receptus.

 

[theFijian]

That's right.

He also spoke English.

My KJV says so.

lol! It can be hard to detect sarcasm sometimes

 

[archaeologist]

Your KJV also explicitly states the Trinity and we know that is a false reference

do we? besides wikipedia provide some scholarly sources and links, please.