Doom Eternal

[abandonentropy]

Hey, I'm wondering to those who've played this game already, what did you think of the new Doom? i'm a big fan of the series and have played all the mainline games but I don't quite know how I feel about this one yet. On one hand I like the new abilities and equipment, the faster speed, and the new enemies, but on the other I feel that the atmosphere and tone is inferior compared to Doom 2016. What are your thoughts?

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

I played all the past games, I won't play this one. To much evil, to demonic. But thats just a personal thing.

That all said I've seen many complain about puzzles/platforming in it. They also said its more like small arenas rather than long levels.

 

[abandonentropy]

I played all the past games, I won't play this one. To much evil, to demonic. But thats just a personal thing.

That all said I've seen many complain about puzzles/platforming in it. They also said its more like small arenas rather than long levels.

Yeah they really put a major emphasis on platforming with this entry, I don't know why. It does continue what the 2016 Doom started by locking you in arenas with constantly spawning in enemies. It's a shame but I think the level design of old Doom with maze like environments isn't going to come back.

 

[Quietus]

I was actually going to play it (despite being disappointed with Doom from a few years ago), but then I watched a fellow Christian’s testimony on how he became plagued by demons for years after playing Doom as a child.

So yeah. The last thing I need is more doorways open. I’m being oppressed enough as it is.

 

[Zachary Uram]

Yeah they really put a major emphasis on platforming with this entry, I don't know why. It does continue what the 2016 Doom started by locking you in arenas with constantly spawning in enemies. It's a shame but I think the level design of old Doom with maze like environments isn't going to come back.

What do you mean by "platforming"?

 

[abandonentropy]

What do you mean by "platforming"?

Jumping from raised platform to platform in an obstacle course environment of sorts.

 

[F.E.A.R.]

Kinda amazed this thread has so little replays. But I'll start. I pre-ordered the game and played it the moment it got launched. It's THE BEST fps game after Half-Life. Sure there are some people that didn't like it and because of it's difficulty. This game is the best thing to happen in 2020. However the recent patch for Doom broke the game, so I advise you not to buy it until they've fixed what they've done.

Here's a video on the recent patch that I was talking about

 

[Phronema]

Kinda amazed this thread has so little replays. But I'll start. I pre-ordered the game and played it the moment it got launched. It's THE BEST fps game after Half-Life. Sure there are some people that didn't like it and because of it's difficulty. This game is the best thing to happen in 2020. However the recent patch for Doom broke the game, so I advise you not to buy it until they've fixed what they've done.

Here's a video on the recent patch that I was talking about

Denuvo is such an unfortunate mess. It penalizes the consumer ultimately. The pirates crack Denuvo in record time usually, and the regular consumers who paid for the game are left dealing with it.

I've been a fan of the Doom games since 1993, and I don't think I'll be touching this one. We'll see I guess.

I'd add that this is Denuvo anticheat and not anti tamper. My understanding is that they're equally bad, and for similar reasons.

 

[F.E.A.R.]

Denuvo is such an unfortunate mess. It penalizes the consumer ultimately. The pirates crack Denuvo in record time usually, and the regular consumers who paid for the game are left dealing with it.

I've been a fan of the Doom games since 1993, and I don't think I'll be touching this one. We'll see I guess.

I'd add that this is Denuvo anticheat and not anti tamper. My understanding is that they're equally bad, and for similar reasons.

Denuvo "anti-pirate" doesn't do anything against pirates. The only thing the company does is taking huge amounts of money from the developers and ruin the performance of the game with their stupid software. Doom Eternal was cracked the day after it was released. Denuvo anti-cheat is also a spyware, that monitors your system. The game has been bombarded with negative reviews on Steam because of this change. I myself haven't installed the latest patch since my pre-orderd keys work for the Bethesda launcher and not for Steam. I'm not launching the game until this is fixed (I hate playing games on other launchers except for Steam).

Seriously though, I've been a pirate my whole life (once a pirate always a pirate). But the only games I've ever pre-orderd are Resident Evil 2 Remake and Doom Eternal, the rest I've bought on sale because I've played them before and I like to "own them" (well technically you don't because of DRM). I'm really baffled by countries such as Germany, Austria, Sweden, USA, Canada etc. fighting against "piracy" (I call it file sharing), yet they don't do anything against gaming companies and developers as a whole for putting gambling mechanics and microtransanctions in their games and spyware software like Denuvo.

 

[Phronema]

Denuvo "anti-pirate" doesn't do anything against pirates. The only thing the company does is taking huge amounts of money from the developers and ruin the performance of the game with their stupid software. Doom Eternal was cracked the day after it was released. Denuvo anti-cheat is also a spyware, that monitors your system. The game has been bombarded with negative reviews on Steam because of this change. I myself haven't installed the latest patch since my pre-orderd keys work for the Bethesda launcher and not for Steam. I'm not launching the game until this is fixed (I hate playing games on other launchers except for Steam).

Seriously though, I've been a pirate my whole life (once a pirate always a pirate). But the only games I've ever pre-orderd are Resident Evil 2 Remake and Doom Eternal, the rest I've bought on sale because I've played them before and I like to "own them" (well technically you don't because of DRM). I'm really baffled by countries such as Germany, Austria, Sweden, USA, Canada etc. fighting against "piracy" (I call it file sharing), yet they don't do anything against gaming companies and developers as a whole for putting gambling mechanics and microtransanctions in their games and spyware software like Denuvo.

Wow, I didn't realize it was cracked that fast.

I agree with you 100% though!! All of those things are very anti-consumerist practices. It's terrible. If I had to guess the representatives from companies like Denuvo sell the "idea" of how great their anti cheat, and anti tamper software is, and the financial backers who are likely older, and/or probably don't play many games end up getting sold on the idea that Denuvo will help to secure their investment. In reality we as players know that's not the case, and that it's a futile, and ridiculous attempt to secure their software.

As for the gambling mechanics, microtransactions, and loot boxes I also agree here. I typically don't like politicians (not to get political here as I realize the politics forums is that way --------->) to write legislation for things like this, BUT I agree. It's not only an anti-consumer practice, but it's ruining games, AND children shouldn't be subjected to gambling type mechanics at a young age in my opinion for the same reasons gambling is illegal for minors. I guess Doom Eternal isn't marketed toward minors as much, but the point still stands for the first two reasons I listed.

Also, I'll add that this isn't so surprising to me. This is Bethesda we're talking about here, and they along with EA are two of the most money hungry publishers in the PC gaming business today. So, I'm sorry to hear of your lost investment, but that's why I generally don't purchase their software anymore. They're a terrible company imo.

 

[F.E.A.R.]

Wow, I didn't realize it was cracked that fast.

I agree with you 100% though!! All of those things are very anti-consumerist practices. It's terrible. If I had to guess the representatives from companies like Denuvo sell the "idea" of how great their anti cheat, and anti tamper software is, and the financial backers who are likely older, and/or probably don't play many games end up getting sold on the idea that Denuvo will help to secure their investment. In reality we as players know that's not the case, and that it's a futile, and ridiculous attempt to secure their software.

As for the gambling mechanics, microtransactions, and loot boxes I also agree here. I typically don't like politicians (not to get political here as I realize the politics forums is that way --------->) to write legislation for things like this, BUT I agree. It's not only an anti-consumer practice, but it's ruining games, AND children shouldn't be subjected to gambling type mechanics at a young age in my opinion for the same reasons gambling is illegal for minors. I guess Doom Eternal isn't marketed toward minors as much, but the point still stands for the first two reasons I listed.

Also, I'll add that this isn't so surprising to me. This is Bethesda we're talking about here, and they along with EA are two of the most money hungry publishers in the PC gaming business today. So, I'm sorry to hear of your lost investment, but that's why I generally don't purchase their software anymore. They're a terrible company imo.

Denuvo portrays itself as a "great anti-pirate, anti-cheat" thingy. But the problem isn't Denuvo selling this stupid idea, it's the developers that turn to them. It's the developers that are mostly (if not entirely) at fault for making a deal with Denuvo and implementing their software (spyware). Look at CD Projcet Red. They've never used any anti cheat system, people who pirated the game (like myself) gave money to CDPR to buy The Witcher 3 afterwards. It's the most selling game on Steam and because of the The Witcher series with Henry Cavil (man he nailed it), the games sales skyrocketed.

Politicians are more interested in their money, you'd rarely see a politician that wants to change anything whether it's in the gaming industry or in a another area. Parents are also to blame for this (US parents). IDK how can they give their kids their credit cards and spend money on games, microtransactions and lootboxes. It's stupid. Yeah Doom Eternal isn't marketed below 18 I guess (maybe it's 16 but IDK).

Bethesda is a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ty company along with EA, but you're forgetting someone else, and that's Konami. Konami takes the crown for the worst gaming company, followed by EA and Bethesda. I'm not sad that I actually invested in Doom Eternal (yeah I was saving up money just to buy the game), but what really made the gaming community angry, is this recent patch.

 

[Phronema]

Denuvo portrays itself as a "great anti-pirate, anti-cheat" thingy. But the problem isn't Denuvo selling this stupid idea, it's the developers that turn to them. It's the developers that are mostly (if not entirely) at fault for making a deal with Denuvo and implementing their software (spyware). Look at CD Projcet Red. They've never used any anti cheat system, people who pirated the game (like myself) gave money to CDPR to buy The Witcher 3 afterwards. It's the most selling game on Steam and because of the The Witcher series with Henry Cavil (man he nailed it), the games sales skyrocketed.

You may very well be right that it's the devs, but I'm willing to bet it's more the investors coughing up millions of dollars honestly. On the other hand devs like CDPR are sensible enough to not pick it up, and/or explain to anyone who might ask that it's a facade, and not likely to protect their software at all, and as such is both an inconvenience to the consumer, and a waste of money.

Bethesda is a sh***y company along with EA, but you're forgetting someone else, and that's Konami. Konami takes the crown for the worst gaming company, followed by EA and Bethesda. I'm not sad that I actually invested in Doom Eternal (yeah I was saving up money just to buy the game), but what really [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ed the gaming community is this recent patch.

Dude, I have to be honest. This made me crack up, and laugh out loud! First of all I'm surprised it didn't catch the 4th word in the paragraph that I've quoted as being a curse word lol!! THEN you go on to act all calm, and collected with the last words I see are "I'm not that sad..., but what really".... and it starts with the "bless and do not curse". So since it didn't catch the 4th word in the paragraph, and it caught whatever you put there makes it seem much worse, and just made me laugh out loud man. Haha

 

[abandonentropy]

Hopefully the denuvo software will be removed soon after bethsoft gets the flak they so well deserve.