Don't mean to cause a stir... not really...

Mixaleena.

Not to change the subject, but if I could get EVERY christian I know to do just that (asking to see scripture and then acting on that scripture) there would be lot more spritually healthy christians in my neighorhood.

I really like your way of thinking.


Sometimes Gods way hurts.
Its just they way things are.
In the end it will all be worth it.
When we look back and see we have run a good race.
It will be glorious to stand before Him knowing He is overjoyed that we withstood the trials and weaknesses.

We're all in this fight together and we need to help each other.
Sometimes that means offending one another.

Everyone feel free to offend me in any way if you know of me going against the written word of our God.

I could find all those scriptures as well. But those particular verses you are speaking of cannot be taken themselves, they need to be read in context with the rest of the chapters as is the case with most of the bible. I can find you a verse that says "There is no God." (Psalm 53:1) Unfortunately to leave you with that idea would be decietful because prior to it it says "A fool says in his heart". and it is followed by "Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good."
Unfortunately, the scriptures pertaining to fornication are not taken out of context. They are VERY clear.


I don't understand how it pertains to the idea that God 'understands' your situation and that you have seen 'signs' that it is ok to disobey a commandment that He has given? Can you provide scripture on these things? Thanks. Mixee.

By the way if you ever need to find scripture www.biblegateway.com is a VERY good resource.

13th March 2003 at 11:28 AM Follower of Christ said this in Post #10

"I now have the urge to come back to Christ; but if he is going to shun me for "Living in Sin" with my boyfriend, whom I love dearly, then this is not for me... "


FOC:
It seems you already know the answer to your turmoil.
Look to understand "fornication" in your bible.
Are you willing to hand over your eternity for a few years?

You sound as if you already know the right thing to do.

I read the first response this post got and i am NOT impressed with the total disregard for Gods Rules in that response.

God loves you, much more than any man will.
If He is calling you can rest assured it will snuffed out by your choice to live with a man who is not your husband.

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First off, you are assuming that they are having premarital sex,  there was nothing in her statement that said anything about her haveing sex with her boyfriend.  Second of all, how are the previous posts totally "disregarding" Gods rules?  Know the details before you assume.

Your very welcome

16th March 2003 at 12:51 PM mixaleena said this in Post #23

I could find all those scriptures as well. But those particular verses you are speaking of cannot be taken themselves, they need to be read in context with the rest of the chapters as is the case with most of the bible. I can find you a verse that says "There is no God." (Psalm 53:1) Unfortunately to leave you with that idea would be decietful because prior to it it says "A fool says in his heart". and it is followed by "Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good."
Unfortunately, the scriptures pertaining to fornication are not taken out of context. They are VERY clear.


I don't understand how it pertains to the idea that God 'understands' your situation and that you have seen 'signs' that it is ok to disobey a commandment that He has given? Can you provide scripture on these things? Thanks. Mixee.

By the way if you ever need to find scripture www.biblegateway.com is a VERY good resource.

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Actually Mix, many of the verses that people use to condemn pre-marital sex are taken out of context, not only out of context in the bible, but out of historical context, and cultural context.  I encourage you to do a little research into the past and present definitions of "fornication".  I would suggest using Easton's Bible Dictionary.  Most people who actually take the time to research the historical and cultural contexts of the bible will find that the passages may not be as straightforward as they once seemed.  Here's a couple of hints dealing with the fornication issue:

1.  Fornication is defined differently now than it was back then.

2.  Fornication may have represented idolatry.

3.  The bible doesn't speak about people who sleep together w/out a marriage certificate while still fulfilling God's requirements for a man and wife.

There are a lot more, if you want I can give you some more information, I have been studying this quite a bit lately.

You can read the bible, but remember that the way you understand it is not the same way another person may understand it, therefore, how do you know which person is right, which person is listening to themselves, and which person is listening to God (if either person actually is).

God doesn't "shun" people. He realizes that we are not perfect. Even though I feel that living together without marriage is a sin, you should do whatever you feel right to do. I do believe though that you should read the Bible and pray. Perhaps God and/or the Holy Spirit will guide you to the right path. Whether or not you choice to accept and take up that path of life is completely up to you.

May you find what you are searching for!!!!

I can't say I understand everything but I believe God is perfect and He loves us all, so I that we'll all understand what we need to,
Father, please give us the wisdom, answers, guidance, sincere hearts to really seek You and Your will and please fill us with Your love.
I think the fornication thing isn't totally out of context cause there are passages in the new testament referring to this aswell........
I think one big problem is that once you have sex without being married
(don't agree that you wanna stay together all your life) it can turn out like you're gonna have sex with more than just one partner, like break up with your bf/gf, find another one... don't think that's the way God wants it !!

I can't say I understand everything but I believe God is perfect and He loves us all, so I that we'll all understand what we need to,
Father, please give us the wisdom, answers, guidance, sincere hearts to really seek You and Your will and please fill us with Your love.
I think the fornication thing isn't totally out of context cause there are passages in the new testament referring to this aswell........
I think one big problem is that once you have sex without being married
(don't agree that you wanna stay together all your life) it can turn out like you're gonna have sex with more than just one partner, like break up with your bf/gf, find another one... don't think that's the way God wants it !!

JacqueB said:

I am walking a line between committing my life to God, and leaving him alltogether. But I need a few questions answered.

I am 20 years old and I live in an apartment with my boyfriend. This move took a lot of thought (3 years of a long distance relationship) and I decided that at this point that was the best option for our relationship.

Living with him has brought on several wonderful new experiances in my life. One of which is the want/need for faith. I had strayed from Christianity long ago, feeling that the people in my church were to closed minded and unaccepting.

I now have the urge to come back to Christ; but if he is going to shun me for "Living in Sin" with my boyfriend, whom I love dearly, then this is not for me...

 

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A have a good friend who's a preacher in New Jersey. 0ne day, when I visited his church's Sunday AM service, there was a point in the service where he called the littl children of the church up to the front of the church and had them sit in a semi-circle.

In front of the children, he placed a Mason jar with candy in it and picked one little boy to reach in a pull out a piece of candy.

So, the little boy reaches into the jar and grabs the candy and learns something very important about grabing candy out of a jar: when you put your hand in, there's plenty of room, but when you grab something in the jar and try to pull it out, your hand changes shape from a flat hand to a fish and the fist is bigger than the opening. That means that you cannot pull it out.

So the boy now has his hand in the jar and his fist wrapped around the candy and is starting to become more and more agitated as he learns that his hand is stuck.

Finally, my preacher friend looks down and says "what's the matter? Don't you want the candy?"

The boy says, "I'm stuck! My hand won't come out!"

Most of the adults are chuckling because they've seen my friend's point.

He kneels down where the boy is sitting and says, "You know, that's just how sin works. It looks good and we really want it so we reach in and grab it but then, when we try to get free, we can't.

If you want your hand to be free of that jar, then what you have to do is to let go of the candy, just like we have to let go of our sin."

The boy pulls his hand out, my friend shakes the jar and the candy comes out for all of the children.

Now, you're facing a similar situation. You say that you want to follow Christ, but not if it means giving up your sin.

Unless you let go of that sin give it to Christ, you're going to be just as trapped by it as that little boy was in his jar.

I think part of the problem is that you've misunderstood what it means to follow Christ. If you love your sin more than Christ, then you don't belong to Christ and He says that you're not worthy to follow Him. If you love your boyfriend more than Christ, then you need to remember that Jesus calls us to such a devotion to Him that our own love for our family and loved ones seems like hatred in comparison.

I can cite a whole bunch of Bible verses to you to show that if you keep on living in sin, you're not a Christian, but just ask yourself this: how can you ask Jesus to save you from something you don't want to stop doing?

How can you ask Jesus to crucify your flesh when you would rather give yourself over to your flesh and serve sin?

Here's praying that you will do the right thing.