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What indeed?

I stand by my statement about Jesus of Nazareth, but remembering what I said about a "worldwide scale," I add this caveat: it only works if everyone puts his teachings into practice. Otherwise, it all falls down sooner or later.

Notice how I highlighted the word all.

If everyone were to follow all of His teachings, we would all be living in small huts, fending for ourselves. We must pick and choose what teachings to follow, and how much of it to follow.
 
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Notice how I highlighted the word all.

If everyone were to follow all of His teachings, we would all be living in small huts, fending for ourselves in everything. We must pick and choose what teachings to follow, and how much of it to follow.

What's wrong with small huts? Fewer rooms to clean; less space to clutter up with worthless knickknacks you don't really need anyway.

And I doubt we'd be fending for ourselves in everything -- Jesus had quite a bit to say on the subject of charity.
 
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What's wrong with small huts?

Nothing. You might want to think about one

And I doubt we'd be fending for ourselves in everything -- Jesus had quite a bit to say on the subject of charity.

I tell you what. Burn virtually everything you own. Do not give it to others. For then they will be rich, as they would have all your stuff. If all are to follow Jesus, no one can be rich. Always be helping others, 24/7, or as much as humanly possible. But wait, you will need just as much help as everyone else, since no one will have virtually anything. Sleep in a cave, or under a tree nightly, or in a modestly built hut. Hunt and pick all your own food, (since no one would have the means to be a seller, as this would take resources they opted to get rid of, and you would have no means to buy it anyways). etc......

This would be a good start, on your part. You will then be a little more like Jesus, except for the whole 'miracles' part.
 
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I will if you will.

Remember, either everyone does it, or it'll be a bust.
 
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I will if you will.

Remember, either everyone does it, or it'll be a bust.

Though it might be entertaining to exchange back and forth, I trust we see each other's viewpoint(s) here? Sure, it's a nice thought, and Matthew 7:12 seems like a great start, for instance. Everyone cannot do all that Jesus asks. We would have economic collapse, just for starters. You must pick and choose what parts to adhere to, more-so than others. Heck, you might determine that some 'teachings' require to be outright virtually ignored - either all the time, sometimes, or less. And if we must pick and choose, then we are ultimately making our own logical/reasonable choices regardless. And if we are making our own logical choices regardless, then why do we need such teachings fed to us to begin with?
 
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But of course -- The point is that Jesus' moral philosophy is kind, benevolent, and would make the world a better place if we all followed it...

... but that's the catch: we're not all going to follow it, and it doesn't work if it's only done halfway.

Similarly, the world could be made much safer is absolutely everything on it was covered in six inches of Nerf... fun idea, but it ain't gonna happen.
 
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The point is that Jesus' moral philosophy is kind, benevolent, and would make the world a better place if we all followed it...

My point is that the world would likely be utter chaos and quite primitive, if we all followed all of His teachings... See post #83, just for starters.

... but that's the catch: we're not all going to follow it, and it doesn't work if it's only done halfway.

You are right, we would not all follow it, whether we are believers or not. But it's a good thing we all do not regardless, as stated in post #83, just for starters.
 
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My point is that the world would likely be utter chaos and quite primitive, if we all followed all of His teachings... See post #83, just for starters.


I'm afraid you've oversimplified Jesus' teachings into something along the line of "Do nothing, make nothing, and live like a hermit." And this is neither the time nor place to correct that in more detail.

True, Jesus was no supporter of the endless pursuit of material things, and some of his later followers took those ideas to the extreme, but there is still some wisdom to it: Remember, the problem with the Rat Race is, even if you win, you're still just a rat.



You are right, we would not all follow it, whether we are believers or not. But it's a good thing we all do not regardless, as stated in post #83, just for starters.

As I said, this isn't the place to fix that. But let's not let the "perfect" be the enemy of the good. If one is looking to make the world a better place, one could do a lot worse than Jesus of Nazareth as a role model...

... far too many of his followers come to mind.
 
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I'm afraid you've oversimplified Jesus' teachings into something along the line of "Do nothing, make nothing, and live like a hermit." And this is neither the time nor place to correct that in more detail.


If all were to all try and follow ALL of His teachings, you would achieve pure conflict.

Case/point, not all can live by Luke 12:33 -- (regardless of how much or little you decide or choose to engage in this Command). If ALL followed this suggestion, there would be no one to sell or give to, as all would be adhering to this suggestion Furthermore, how much of your possessions do you sell? Again, if you make your own conscious choice about how much to give away, and not adhere to what is being asserted in the Text, then you really are making your own "rules" or "justifications" anyhow.


True, Jesus was no supporter of the endless pursuit of material things, and some of his later followers took those ideas to the extreme, but there is still some wisdom to it:

The "wisdom" instead seems to come from not taking what He says literally. Except, when you are supposed to take it literally. And unfortunately, He does not seem to differentiate between what is and is not literal.



Remember, the problem with the Rat Race is, even if you win, you're still just a rat.

I think a bigger "problem", is that we do not know which of his conflicting commands we are to apply vs. ignore?
 
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