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Dogs licking sores of Lazarus question

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Hi. I was doing a translation of this verse in Luke:21 which appears to also harmonize with Matt 15:27.
What would the "dogs licking the sores" of Lazarus be symbolizing? Are they trying to heal them or does it symbolize something else?
Could the dogs be symbolizing the lords in Matt 15. Pretty fascinating study.

Thanks for any help on this. Peace.

Luke 16:21 And desiring to be feeding/cortasqhnai <5526> from the crumbs/yiciwn <5589>, of the ones falling from the Table of the Rich Man; but also which the dogs/kuneV <2965> coming licking/apeleicon <621> the sores/elkh <1668> of him.

Matthew 15:27 The yet said, `Yea Lord/kurie <2962>, for even the little-dogs/kunaria <2952> do eat/esqiei <2068> of the crumbs/yiciwn <5589>, the ones falling from the Table/trapezhV <5132> of the lords/kuriwn <2962> of them;'
 

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Why does it have to be a symbol? why don't you think it was just literal dogs licking literal wounds on a literal Lazarus? Not everything in the Bible has mystical hidden meanings.
I suppose this chapter in Ezekiel is literal also?

Ezekiel 37:6 "I will put sinews on you and bring flesh upon you, cover you with skin and put breath in you; and you shall live. Then you shall know that I [am] the LORD." ' " 7 So I prophesied as I was commanded; and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and suddenly a rattling; and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 Indeed, as I looked, the sinews and the flesh came upon them, and the skin covered them over; but [there was] no breath in them.
10 So I prophesied as He commanded me, and breath came into them, and they lived, and stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great army.
Reve 11: 11 And after the three days and a half, a spirit of life from God did enter into them, and they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon those beholding them,
 
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You should consider the first part of my sentence along with only the part you bolded.
 
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You should consider the first part of my sentence along with only the part you bolded.
Ok. Notice the use of "little dogs" in Matt who were I believe are resembling the outcast of Israel. I view the "Dogs" as symbolically the priesthood and why I brought up revelation 11 of whom I think the "those with fear" are the OC Priesthood.

Luke 16:21 And desiring to be feeding/cortasqhnai <5526> from the crumbs/yiciwn <5589>, of the ones falling from the Table of the Rich Man; but also which the dogs/kuneV <2965> coming licking/apeleicon <621> the sores/elkh <1668> of him.

Matthew 15:27 The yet said, `Yea Lord/kurie <2962>, for even the little-dogs/kunaria <2952> do eat/esqiei <2068> of the crumbs/yiciwn <5589>, the ones falling from the Table/trapezhV <5132> of the lords/kuriwn <2962> of them;'
 
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You have no reason to tie these two unrelated portions of Scripture together. And you have no reason to interpret Luke 16:21 symbolically.
 
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You have no reason to tie these two unrelated portions of Scripture together. And you have no reason to interpret Luke 16:21 symbolically.
Says who?
It also ties in with the Good Samaritan and the "priests" that passed him by.



Luke 10:30 and Jesus having taken up [the word], said, `A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among robbers, and having stripped him and inflicted blows, they went away, leaving [him] half dead. 31 `And by a coincidence a certain priest was going down in that way, and having seen him, he passed over on the opposite side; 32 and in like manner also, a Levite, having been about the place, having come and seen, passed over on the opposite side. 33 `But a certain Samaritan, journeying, came along him, and having seen him, he was moved with compassion, 34 and having come near, he bound up his wounds,

Matthew 15:27 The yet said, `Yea Lord/kurie <2962>, for even the little-dogs/kunaria <2952>do eat/esqiei <2068> of the crumbs/yiciwn <5589>, the ones falling from the Table/trapezhV <5132> of the lords/kuriwn <2962> of them;'

Luke 16:21 And desiring to be feeding/cortasqhnai <5526> from the crumbs/yiciwn <5589>, of the ones falling from the Table of the Rich Man; but also which the dogs/kuneV <2965> coming/ercomenoi <2064> licking/apeleicon <621> the sores/elkh <1668> of him.
 
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Ok. Notice the use of "little dogs" in Matt who were I believe are resembling the outcast of Israel. I view the "Dogs" as symbolically the priesthood and why I brought up revelation 11 of whom I think the "those with fear" are the OC Priesthood.

actually, dogs have healing properties in their saliva - somehow I don't think that fits in with comparison of the corrupt priesthood
 
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actually, dogs have healing properties in their saliva - somehow I don't think that fits in with comparison of the corrupt priesthood
You would think so huh?

Phil 3:2 Beware of-the/touV <3588> Dogs/kunaV <2965>, beware of-the/touV <3588> Evil/kakouV <2556 Workers/ergataV <2040> , beware of-the/thn <3588> mutilation/katatomhn <2699>!

Revelation 22:15 Without the Dogs/kuneV <2965>, and the sorcerers/farmakoi <5333>, and the whoremongers/pornoi <4205>, and the murderers/foneiV <5406>, and the idolaters/eidwlolatrai <1496>, and every one who is loving and is doing a Falsehood/yeudoV <5579> .
 
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Say's reason. It is not a good reason to tie unrelated Scriptures just because they share the word dog.
 
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Say's reason. It is not a good reason to tie unrelated Scriptures just because they share the word dog.
Well I also like to use the OT/OC Scriptures too.

(Young) Psalms 22:16 And to the dust of death thou appointest me, For surrounded me have dogs, A company of evil doers have compassed me, lions/0738 'ariy digged/03738 karahat my hands and my feet.



Matt 23:32 and ye--ye fill up the measure of your fathers. 33 `Serpents! brood of vipers! how may ye escape from the judgment of the Gehenna?

Matthew 24:1 And having gone forth, Yeshua departed from the Temple, and his disciples came near to show him the buildings of the temple,

Ezekiel 39:12 "For seven months the house of Yisra'el will be burying Them, in order to CLEANSE/PURIFY the land. 13 "Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the day that I am glorified," says 'Adonay Y@hovih .
 
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LittleLambofJesus the fact the pharse "little dog" was used symbolicly in one part of the Bible doesn't mean that when dogs are mentioned a completely unrelated scripture means anything. While it could be phrase and not literal in that sense like someone today someone might say "his life sucks" and in that sense might not be literal I never heard sermon or through my own studying of those scriptures found any reason to believe there is a link between the 2.
 
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that was pretty funny - BUT - you missed the main point - HEALING properties in dog's saliva.

ps: I gotta agree with devotion - you are all over the map on this one - better stop and get directions - oops, forgot, you're a guy
 
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that was pretty funny - BUT - you missed the main point - HEALING properties in dog's saliva.

ps: I gotta agree with devotion - you are all over the map on this one - better stop and get directions - oops, forgot, you're a guy
I noticed that a lot on the Eschatology Guru board too.

Matthew 15:27 The yet said, `Yea Lord/kurie <2962>, for even the little-dogs/kunaria <2952>do eat/esqiei <2068> of the crumbs/yiciwn <5589>, the ones falling from the Table/trapezhV <5132> of the lords/kuriwn <2962> of them;'

Matthew 21:43 `Because of this I say to you, that the reign of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth its fruit;
 
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Well I also like to use the OT/OC Scriptures too.

(Young) Psalms 22:16 And to the dust of death thou appointest me, For surrounded me have dogs, A company of evil doers have compassed me, lions/0738 'ariy digged/03738 karahat my hands and my feet..

Here is a better translation in my opinion:

Psalms 22
16 and You appoint Me to the dust of death; for dogs have encircled Me; a band of spoilers have hemmed Me in, piercing My hands and My feet.
 
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Here is a better translation in my opinion:

Psalms 22
16 and You appoint Me to the dust of death; for dogs have encircled Me; a band of spoilers have hemmed Me in, piercing My hands and My feet.
Thank tg. But isn't the word "lions" in there?
I kind of related it to the OC Priesthood being the "Dogs" throwing Jesus to the "Lions" in some ways. I could be mistaken but I did discuss this with the Jews awhile back. Did you check this interlinear out? Thanks for your input.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

For dogs
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
03611 keleb {keh'-leb}
from an unused root means. to yelp, or else to attack; TWOT - 981a; n m
AV - dog 32; 32
1) dog
1a) dog (literal)
1b) contempt or abasement (fig.)
1c) of pagan sacrifice
1d) of male cult prostitute (fig.)
[SIZE=+2]have compassed [/SIZE]
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
05437 cabab {saw-bab'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 1456; v
AV - (stood, turned, etc...) about 54, compass 41, turn 34, turn away 4,
remove 3, returned 2, round 2, side 2, turn aside 2, turn back 2,
beset 2, driven 2, compass in 2, misc 8; 154
1) to turn, turn about or around or aside or back or towards, go about or around,
surround, encircle, change direction
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to turn, turn about, be brought round, change
1a2) to march or walk around, go partly around, circle about,
skirt, make a round, make a circuit, go about to, surround,
encompass
1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to turn oneself, close round, turn round
1b2) to be turned over to
1c) (Piel) to turn about, change, transform
1d) (Poel)
1d1) to encompass, surround
1d2) to come about, assemble round
1d3) to march, go about
1d4) to enclose, envelop
1e) (Hiphil)
1e1) to turn, cause to turn, turn back, reverse, bring over,
turn into, bring round
1e2) to cause to go around, surround, encompass
1f) (Hophal)
1f1) to be turned
1f2) to be surrounded

Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
08804 Stem - Qal See 08851
Mood - Perfect See 08816
Count - 12562
[SIZE=+2]me the assembly [/SIZE]
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
05712 `edah {ay-daw'}
from 05707 in the original sense of fixture; TWOT - 878a; n f
AV - congregation 124, company 13, assembly 9, multitude 1, people 1,
swarm 1; 149
1) congregation, gathering
[SIZE=+2]of the wicked [/SIZE]
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
07489 ra`a` {raw-ah'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 2191,2192; v
AV - evil 20, evildoer 10, hurt 7, wickedly 5, worse 5, afflict 5,
wicked 4, break 3, doer 3, ill 3, harm 3, displease 2, misc 13; 83
1) to be bad, be evil
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to be displeasing
1a2) to be sad
1a3) to be injurious, be evil
1a4) to be wicked, be evil (ethically)
1b) (Hiphil)
1b1) to do an injury or hurt
1b2) to do evil or wickedly
1b3) mischief (participle)
2) to break, shatter
2a) (Qal)
2a1) to break
2a2) broken (participle)
2a3) to be broken
2b) (Hithpolel) to be broken, be broken in pieces, be broken asunder

Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
08688 Stem - Hiphil See 08818
Mood - Participle See 08813
Count - 857
[SIZE=+2]have inclosed [/SIZE]
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
05362 naqaph {naw-kaf'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 1415,1416; v
AV - compass 7, go round about 3, go about 2, compass about 2,
destroy 1, down 1, inclosed 1, kill 1, round 1; 19
1) to strike, strike off
1a) (Piel) to strike off skin
2) to go around, compass, round
2a) (Qal) to go around
2b) (Hiphil)
2b1) to go around, surround, encompass, enclose
2b2) to make the round, complete the circuit
2b3) to make round, round off

Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
08689 Stem - Hiphil See 08818
Mood - Perfect See 08816
Count - 2675
[SIZE=+2]me they pierced [/SIZE]
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
03738 karah {kaw-raw'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 1033,1034,1035; v
AV - dig 12, make 2, pierce 1, open 1; 16
1) to dig, excavate, dig through
1a) (Qal) to dig
1b) (Niphal) to be dug
2) (Qal) to give a banquet or feast
3) (Qal) to get by trade, trade, buy

Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
08804 Stem - Qal See 08851
Mood - Perfect See 08816
Count - 12562

Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
08675 Kethiv Readings
In the Hebrew Bible, the scribes did not alter any text they felt
had been copied incorrectly. Rather they noted in the margin what they
thought the written text should be. The written variation is called a
kethiv and the marginal note is called the qere. Where the translators
of the Authorised Version followed the qere reading rather than the
kethiv, we indicate the kethiv reading by the number 08675.
For example, in Gen. 24:33 "was set" is coded as 07760 08675 03455.
The translators used the qere reading that has Strong's number 07760
but the kethiv reading is Strong's number 03455. Both words have the
same meaning, "was set".

Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
0738 'ariy {ar-ee'} or (prolonged) `aryeh {ar-yay'}
from 0717 (in the sense of violence); TWOT - 158a; n m
AV - lion 79, untranslated variant 1; 80
1) lion
1a) pictures or images of lions
[SIZE=+2]my hands [/SIZE]
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
03027 yad {yawd}
a primitive word; TWOT - 844; n f
AV - hand 1359, by 44, consecrate + 04390 14, him 14, power 12, them 11,
places 8, tenons 6, thee 6, coast 6, side 5, misc 130; 1615
1) hand
1a) hand (of man)
1b) strength, power (fig.)
1c) side (of land), part, portion (metaph.) (fig.)
1d) (various special, technical senses)
1d1) sign, monument
1d2) part, fractional part, share
1d3) time, repetition
1d4) axle-trees, axle
1d5) stays, support (for laver)
1d6) tenons (in tabernacle)
1d7) a phallus, a hand (meaning unsure)
1d8) wrists
[SIZE=+2]and my feet [/SIZE]
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
07272 regel {reh'-gel}
from 07270; TWOT - 2113a; n f
AV - feet 216, footstool + 01916 6, after 4, times 4, follow 4,
[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] + 04325 2, toes 2, journey 1, legs 1, misc 7; 247
1) foot
1a) foot, leg
1b) of God (anthropomorphic)
1c) of seraphim, cherubim, idols, animals, table
1d) according to the pace of (with prep)
1e) three times (feet, paces)
 
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Say's reason. It is not a good reason to tie unrelated Scriptures just because they share the word dog.

The Holy Spirit teaches by comparing spiritual with spiritual does He not?

Whats wrong with trying words?

Job 12:11 Doth not ~the ear~ try words? and the mouth taste his meat?

What if others are carefully heeding what they hearing and testing something?

Mark 4:24 Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ~ye mete~, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.

Though I dont want to pull a dog by its ears here

I cant understand those who do not. I think its killer to see how the inspiration of God speaks and how the Spirit teaches us by way of comparison.

IMHO ofcourse

Peace

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Thanks FF. That one verse in Psalms has been a "bone" of contention with the Jews and CHRIST-ians concerning the crucifixion for centuries I think.

Does anyone have an accurate translation of it they would like to show me?

(Young) Psalms 22:16 And to the dust of death thou appointest me, For surrounded me have dogs, A company of evil doers have compassed/turned-on me, lions/0738 'ariy digged/03738 karahat my hands and my feet..

John 19:15 and they cried out, `Take away, take away, crucify him;' Pilate saith to them, `Your king shall I crucify?' the chief priests answered, `We have no king except Caesar.'

Btw, since I was studying on the use of "dogs/lions" in the Bible, I did have a thread on Psalm 22:16 with the Jews over here.

http://www.christianforums.com/t3203241-the-jews-and-psalm-22-question.html#post35736006
 
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I can see its connected to just that Lamb,

Every mouth being shut is by the law. God delivered Paul out of the mouth of the lion. The law was ordained of angels (in the hand of a mediator) even as shown in revelation and God sending His angel is also shown in their power to shut up the mouth of the lion. Im seeing "shut up" both under the law and the power of the angels these connect to the horns of the unicorn (as Im studying it out).

Psalm 22:21 Save me from the LION'S MOUTH: for thou hast ~heard me~ from THE HORNS ~of the unicorns~.

Heres the HORNS (just as the ANGELS) come out of HIS HAND

Hab 3:4 And his brightness was as the light; he had HORNS coming OUT OF HIS HAND: and ((( there was the ~hiding of~ his power)))) Angels in His Hands

And just as the first verse saying God hast heard me from "the HORNS" concerning the lions mouth, God sends his angel to shut the lions mouth

Daniel 6:22 My God hath sent his ANGEL, and hath shut the lions' mouths, that they have NOT HURT me

2Titus 4:17... I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion. (theres a ROARING ONE )

Rev 5:6 having SEVEN HORNS AND seven eyes, which ARE the SEVEN SPIRITS of God sent forth into all the earth.

Psalm 104:4 Who maketh his ~ANGELS~SPIRTS

Duet 33:17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and HIS HORNS are like the ~HORNS of UNICORNS~: ~with them~ HE shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh

Rev 3:1...These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars.


Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. the SEVEN STARS ~are~ THE ANGELS of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest ((((are the seven churches)))


Rev 2:1...These things saith he that holdeth the SEVEN STAR (Angels) in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of (((the seven golden candlesticks)))


Gal 3:19 Wherefore serveth THE LAW? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by ANGELS ~in THE HAND~ of a mediator.


Whatever the law saith saith to them under it that every MOUTH (lions?) be STOPPED and it was ordained of angels in his hand.

Psalm 57:4 My soul is among lions: and I lie even among them that are set on fire, even the sons of men, whose teeth are spears and arrows, and their tongue a sharp sword.

FIERY darts Sorry I couldnt resist

Psalm 58:6 Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions,:o O LORD.

Without teeth wouldnt they be called GUMMY BEARS?

Still looking at this myself, but how can I help I got the big bad KJV version (you hate lol) that will be leading me to the pit of destruction (I sure of it) lol

Kidding with cha

...cause I know how you feel about that



Peace

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