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Does the Mandelbrot Set prove the Mind of God behind what we see.
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<blockquote data-quote="partinobodycular" data-source="post: 77478108" data-attributes="member: 435281"><p>Every once in a while you'll say something with which I agree... not often, but every now and then.</p><p></p><p>Congratulations... this is one of those times. But let's continue following your reasoning.</p><p></p><p>You're still making a few too many assumptions, but deductive reasoning pretty much requires them, and inductive reasoning can't get very far without them either.</p><p></p><p>So voila... people assume things. No problem. Unfortunately, once beyond a certain threshold assumptions begin to be treated as pseudo-facts, and defended as such. In which case we get speculative threads about Mandelbrot Sets possibly being indicative of some overarching mind. But let's face it folks... it's just math. It's just a systematical way of describing cause and effect, and space and time, and the relationship between them. It's ordered, and coherent, and intelligible. That's it. That's the world we live in... full stop.</p><p></p><p>But what else does this tell us? Well, working from the assumption that the effect is indicative of the cause, it tells us that the cause is probably ordered, coherent, and intelligible as well. I.E. it's probably natural, just like absolutely everything else that we've ever encountered. But contrary to many naturalists' opinions... ordered, coherent, and intelligible can also be precursors of consciousness. Hence, if we're being honest with ourselves we have to ask the question... is the cause conscious?</p><p></p><p>The knee-jerk reaction is to say no... but why?</p><p></p><p>Well... because only flesh and blood beings can be conscious... again, why?</p><p></p><p>I don't agree with the OP's argument that Mandelbrot Sets are evidence for an overarching mind, they're just math. But they are indicative of an innate characteristic of reality... it's ordered, coherent, and intelligible... and for any open minded person that must at least raise the possibility that there does exist out there somewhere a consciousness other than ourselves... other than gray matter crammed into an ossified box.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="partinobodycular, post: 77478108, member: 435281"] Every once in a while you'll say something with which I agree... not often, but every now and then. Congratulations... this is one of those times. But let's continue following your reasoning. You're still making a few too many assumptions, but deductive reasoning pretty much requires them, and inductive reasoning can't get very far without them either. So voila... people assume things. No problem. Unfortunately, once beyond a certain threshold assumptions begin to be treated as pseudo-facts, and defended as such. In which case we get speculative threads about Mandelbrot Sets possibly being indicative of some overarching mind. But let's face it folks... it's just math. It's just a systematical way of describing cause and effect, and space and time, and the relationship between them. It's ordered, and coherent, and intelligible. That's it. That's the world we live in... full stop. But what else does this tell us? Well, working from the assumption that the effect is indicative of the cause, it tells us that the cause is probably ordered, coherent, and intelligible as well. I.E. it's probably natural, just like absolutely everything else that we've ever encountered. But contrary to many naturalists' opinions... ordered, coherent, and intelligible can also be precursors of consciousness. Hence, if we're being honest with ourselves we have to ask the question... is the cause conscious? The knee-jerk reaction is to say no... but why? Well... because only flesh and blood beings can be conscious... again, why? I don't agree with the OP's argument that Mandelbrot Sets are evidence for an overarching mind, they're just math. But they are indicative of an innate characteristic of reality... it's ordered, coherent, and intelligible... and for any open minded person that must at least raise the possibility that there does exist out there somewhere a consciousness other than ourselves... other than gray matter crammed into an ossified box. [/QUOTE]
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