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Does 'original sin' mean Jesus had it?

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Hebrews 2
17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Jesus was a living human being and suffered temptation; he had the 'knowledge of good and evil' (which is what I assume 'original sin' means) yet never chose the evil, correct?
 
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No, Jesus didn't "have original sin".

The doctrine has a few different meanings to various groups of Christians, but there was (and is) nothing sinful in Jesus.

Jesus never broke fellowship with the Father, and always submitted the desires of His flesh to obedience toward the Father.
 
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No, Jesus didn't "have original sin".

The doctrine has a few different meanings to various groups of Christians, but there was (and is) nothing sinful in Jesus.

Jesus never broke fellowship with the Father, and always submitted the desires of His flesh to obedience toward the Father.

I guess what I'm asking is.. If Jesus was born without bearing any iniquity (for sin is transgression of the law), and he was made like unto his brethren, would his brethren then also be born innocent until they transgressed?
 
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Hmmmm

I wonder about that as well.

I'm guessing that because he was born of a virgin, and God, that he was exempt from that rule.

Or, you could say that 'because he was human, he was born with sin'

Whatever you want to believe, I'm sure there are others who agree with you.

I actually don't believe in original sin. I believe that, as the LORD says, 'the soul that sinneth shall die' and what John wrote, 'sin is transgression of the law'.

I'm just trying to work some scriptures out, here.
 
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I'd say that He was born without "original sin" because He was "made like his brothers in every respect" in that no human is born with "original sin".

Jesus was born of a virgin because that's what was proper. It has nothing to do with "inherited sin."
 
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If men are not accounted to have original sin through Adam, how are people saved through Christ?

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
(Rom 5:12-21)

Adam bore the heritage of God yet rebelled to sin, so Christ bore original sin yet redeemed all toward righteousness by rebelling from the heritage of flesh.

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
(2Co 5:17-21)

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
(Heb 4:15)

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
(Rom 6:3-11)
 
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Does 'original sin' mean Jesus had it?

Hebrews 2
17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Jesus was a living human being and suffered temptation; he had the 'knowledge of good and evil' (which is what I assume 'original sin' means) yet never chose the evil, correct?

I actually don't believe in original sin. I believe that, as the LORD says, 'the soul that sinneth shall die' and what John wrote, 'sin is transgression of the law'.

I'm just trying to work some scriptures out, here.
That's the answer to your first question there :)
 
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If men are not accounted to have original sin through Adam, how are people saved through Christ?
By faith :) My salvation depends on Christ and the cross, not on Adam's sin
...Adam bore the heritage of God yet rebelled to sin, so Christ bore original sin yet redeemed all toward righteousness by rebelling from the heritage of flesh.
The bible doesn't actually say Christ bore original sin, it says he bore our sins.
 
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By the precept "as you have judge so shall you be judged," we see God's plan of salvation as a direct contradiction to the ministry of sin. This precept is the "spirit of the law" above the letter of the commandment. Romans Chapter 5, quoted from my last post, is an illustration of how the fall of mankind through Adam dictated a precedent that the works of salvation through Christ would have to follow.

"Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be? In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes, Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me? I sat daily with you teaching in the temple, and ye laid no hold on me. But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
(Mat 26:52-56)

"And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things."
(Luk 24:44-48)

Christ was born of the flesh "that the body of sin might be destroyed." Christ bore the accusation of sin but rather than commit the transgression He would bear the penalty in innocence that His sacrifice would be attributable to us.

"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."
(Gal 3:10-14)

Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father. Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
(Gal 4:1-7)

"And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God. And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar, And saying, If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself. And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS. And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour. And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst. And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. Now when the centurion saw what was done, he glorified God, saying, Certainly this was a righteous man."
(Luk 23:33-47)
 
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Can God be tempted? Of course not, He is wholly good.

So, imho, if Jesus didn't have the sin nature that came from the human side of Him how could he be tempted?
If Jesus didn't have the ability to be tempted then His sinless life doesn't have the same significance.


If people don't have a sin nature why do they sin?
 
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