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Does Irenaeus really teach the rapture here?

Daniel Marsh

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1. In the previous books I have set forth the causes for which God permitted these things to be made, and have pointed out that all such have been created for the benefit of that human nature which is saved, ripening for immortality that which is [possessed] of its own free will and its own power, and preparing and rendering it more adapted for eternal subjection to God. And therefore the creation is suited to [the wants of] man; for man was not made for its sake, but creation for the sake of man. Those nations however, who did not of themselves raise up their eyes unto heaven, nor returned thanks to their Maker, nor wished to behold the light of truth, but who were like blind mice concealed in the depths of ignorance, the word justly reckons "as waste water from a sink, and as the turning-weight of a balance -- in fact, as nothing;"(1) so far useful and serviceable to the just, as stubble conduces towards the growth of the wheat, and its straw, by means of combustion, serves for working gold. And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, "There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be."(2) For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption.

2. And there is therefore in this beast, when he comes, a recapitulation made of all sorts of iniquity and of every deceit, in order that all apostate power, flowing into and being shut up in him, may be sent into the furnace of fire. Fittingly, therefore, shall his name possess the number six hundred and sixty-six, since he sums up in his own

person all the commixture of wickedness which took place previous to the deluge, due to the apostasy of the angels.

https://carm.org/irenaeus-heresies5-19-31
 

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"For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption."

Shows the problem with a pre-trib rapture interpretation.

St. Irenaeus was a millennialist but not a pre-trib rapture guy.
 
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St. Irenaeus was a millennialist but not a pre-trib rapture guy.
But he came long after the Church Fathers who preached and taught the pre-tribulation Rapture. Check out the Apostolic Fathers, who were closer to the apostles and closer to the truth.
 
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But he came long after the Church Fathers who preached and taught the pre-tribulation Rapture. Check out the Apostolic Fathers, who were closer to the apostles and closer to the truth.
Irenaeus was taught by Polycarp who was in turn taught by the Apostle John. He is not long after anyone.
 
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But he came long after the Church Fathers who preached and taught the pre-tribulation Rapture. Check out the Apostolic Fathers, who were closer to the apostles and closer to the truth.
Which Fathers? Remember, you don't just have to show two resurrections, nor do you just have to show 1000 years, but you have to show rapture before tribulation.
 
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Ephraim The Syrian wrote in the early 4th century, "For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."

It is one of the clearer references of the ante-Nicene church fathers.

http://beginningandend.com/what-did-ancient-church-fathers-believe-about-the-rapture/

For a discussion about the various inferences about the rapture see:

https://www.amazon.com/Three-Views-Rapture-Pretribulation-Posttribulation/dp/0310277205
 
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