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No. The universe may not obey the laws of earth. If not..all basis for your claim is null and void..and you cannot prove it, so do not claim it.The univere is either expanding or shrinking. That can go on forever. They call it the big bang and the big crunch.
The very first verse in the Bible says: "1:1 In the beginning God created * the heaven and the earth." Created is an expression of two words in the Hebrew. Perhaps you would like to share with us what you believe the word "Created" means. This is the third word used at the very beginning of the Bible.No. The universe may not obey the laws of earth. If not..all basis for your claim is null and void..and you cannot prove it, so do not claim it.
Irrelevant: you asserted that calculus does not involve the mathematical concept of infinity, so prove it. If calculus doesn't use infinity, then you should be able to show the differential of x[sup]2[/sup] with respect to x is 2x. So do it. Prove to us, one and for all, that you're right.The marriage [sup] per of the Lamb comes to mind. Writing numbers is not getting to infinity or beyond. One could write this formula for infinity
1i
The 'i' means to the infinite power. You think your letters have more meaning?
We don't need to wait for eternity, that's the whole point.That is dreaming. Once you sit there watching an infinite feedback loop for eternity, get back to us.
Irrelevant: the system, right here and now, in our laboratory, experiences this phenomenon. It doesn't matter if it's a feature of this state or not.Remember that 'in the system' part.
The randomness I suggest is a feature of this state we live in.
Yes, it is. It actually, genuinely, physically does have an infinitely high temperature. And of course it's a name: it's the English word used for the phenomenon we're discussing. If you disagree that the temperature is infinity, then prove it.That is just a name. One neither sees something actually infinitely hot, nor can one say what might ever be. You mean within our laws, it could only be that way....that is not infinity or eternity.
So?Hey it is easy to call something 'infinity'. Reality check...it is inside a lab!
Indeed, and certain experiments reveal quantities that are genuinely, physically infinite.One can play around with present state laws. No surprise there. If we take filing on a thin cardboard, and place a magnet below it, a pattern emerges also. Our present laws work a certain way.
Prove it. Prove that the quantum thermodynamic system I described is "unrelated to actual infinity".Where infinity is a word unrelated to actual infinity or eternity, yes we can play around and wath how forces and laws work here.
I do love how you can't get away from my successful demonstration of a real and genuine infinity without say, "Oh, but but but that's just words, you're just saying words!".
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No, I would argue that what real infinity and eternity are, is not contained in your math constructions. It may use theoretical infinity concepts, but when I think of eternity and infinity, the concepts reach higher than man's calculations. Man is in a finite world and universe and state. Therefore, however we mentally project things needs to be in perspective.Irrelevant: you asserted that calculus does not involve the mathematical concept of infinity, so prove it. If calculus doesn't use infinity, then you should be able to show the differential of x[sup]2[/sup] with respect to x is 2x. So do it. Prove to us, one and for all, that you're right.
You can't. That is more to the point.We don't need to wait for eternity, that's the whole point.
Infinity is a name, yes, as is eternity. Neither of which can be comprehended fully within a fishbowl of a temporal state. But, hey, if it makes you feel like a god or something, have fun playing with that.Yes, it is. It actually, genuinely, physically does have an infinitely high temperature. And of course it's a name: it's the English word used for the phenomenon we're discussing. If you disagree that the temperature is infinity, then prove it.
In a sense of the word, perhaps. But not a real sense as I think of eternal or infinite.Indeed, and certain experiments reveal quantities that are genuinely, physically infinite.
Thanks. Having reasons (excuses as you call it) for why the pure form of eternal and infinite don't apply within a non infinite and non eternal sphere is easy. But I guess you could imagine that if something in a temporal lab on a temporal planet, in a temporal state set of forces and laws, in a temporal universe was truly able to do anything it now does infinitely or forever if you like. Seems vain and pretentious to me though.Prove it. Prove that the quantum thermodynamic system I described is "unrelated to actual infinity".
I do love how you can't get away from my successful demonstration of a real and genuine infinity without say, "Oh, but but but that's just words, you're just saying words!".
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I would think it means what is sounds like. Why? That does not mean that Eden was the same as New York. Nor does it mean that all laws and realities in heaven or the heavens are the same as they were pre flood. Nor that they will be the same in the tribulation, or millennium..etc. Of course He created it all.The very first verse in the Bible says: "1:1 In the beginning God created * the heaven and the earth." Created is an expression of two words in the Hebrew. Perhaps you would like to share with us what you believe the word "Created" means. This is the third word used at the very beginning of the Bible.
Hey tell them that that is farmyard dropping stuff. They are wrong. We were here first, and they have almost no real clue. If you start tossing out claims here be prepared to show the basis. Don't think you can play the 'but they have a PHD, they have to be right somehow' game. No. God is right. They are pathetic jokers.As far as the laws of earth. Science tells us that we are star stuff.
Baloney. Get serious. Man detects the stuff we have on earth elsewhere also...whoopee do.That most all the elements that make us us were formed in a star somewhere else in the universe.
No, you can't. Not unless it is burned on earth or near! Cut it out.Every element has its open unique color when it burns so they can study the elements that make up stars and are formed in stars.
Yes, I tend to question such claims. Invariably they come up short.To infinity and beyond!!
We do not question that God is right, God is good and so on.No. God is right.
I represent someone telling you to support your claims here.We do not question that God is right, God is good and so on.
What we question is if you know God. Or to be more exact, do you represent God,
are you a spokes person for God in the way that people like Moses represented God.
What claim do you want me to support? When I say: science says this or science says that, then it is up to science to support their claim. I am only informing you what they say. Often I get my science from a Nova PBS program. They usually promote programs based on a best selling book. Or in this case the information comes from Brian Cox on BBC. I am only telling you want science says. For me it is amazing that God gives us the understanding to share with us HOW He does what He does.I represent someone telling you to support your claims here.
Foe example, you claimed thisWhat claim do you want me to support?
Right I get that from Brian Cox. For me he is able to teach in a way I can understand. He makes it all interesting.Foe example, you claimed this
That most all the elements that make us us were formed in a star somewhere else in the universe.
That tells us a lot. Naming some guy that impressed you. Never heard of him. I tire of you and this thread.Right I get that from Brian Cox. For me he is able to teach in a way I can understand. He makes it all interesting.
Then we have been talking past each other. Throughout, I've maintained and defined infinity in purely mathematical terms, while you have adopted a more... existential stance. Clearly, we're talking about completely different things when we use the word 'infinity'. Ah, such is the fickle nature of EnglishNo, I would argue that what real infinity and eternity are, is not contained in your math constructions. It may use theoretical infinity concepts, but when I think of eternity and infinity, the concepts reach higher than man's calculations.
Brian Cox is awesome.Right I get that from Brian Cox. For me he is able to teach in a way I can understand. He makes it all interesting.
OK.Then we have been talking past each other. Throughout, I've maintained and defined infinity in purely mathematical terms, while you have adopted a more... existential stance. Clearly, we're talking about completely different things when we use the word 'infinity'. Ah, such is the fickle nature of English
He impressed me with his ability to be able to teach and communicate. He has a way to make learning fun and easy. Jesus was the greatest teacher that ever lived. Clearly we are to follow His example and develop our communication skills and the ability to be able to teach. Even though James warns us: "let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment."Naming some guy that impressed you.
It depends on what is being taught.He impressed me with his ability to be able to teach and communicate. He has a way to make learning fun and easy.
No. Better to be quiet than teach the wrong stuff. Teaching in and of itself is not a great thing.Jesus was the greatest teacher that ever lived. Clearly we are to follow His example and develop our communication skills and the ability to be able to teach.
Especially if they teach evo garbage I guess.Even though James warns us: "let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment."
Funny about that word perfect. Not what it seems to mean in the modern sense I suspect. Perhaps it might be translated... 'pretty good all things considered, for stinkin sinner'!?James 3 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment. 2 For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body.
Foe example, you claimed this
That most all the elements that make us us were formed in a star somewhere else in the universe.
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