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Because until you can show me non-empirical, sound, objective evidence that can be used to verify the existence of something then empirical evidence is all I can use. You ignored my question in that previous post. Can you show me any such non-empirical, sound, objective evidence? If you can then I will use it. In particular, can you show me any sound, objective evidenceempirical or non-empiricalsupporting the claims that your God, heaven, hell, angels, or Satan are real or that you will have eternal life?No you can't prove that physical empirical evidence is the only way to prove that something exists. If you can't prove it why is that your position?
I assume you mean after the Scientific Method was invented in what, the 18th century?To get this thread back on track, can you or any other Christian provide a single instance, ever, where God did it has been tested and verified as the true explanation for anything at all?
I assume you mean after the Scientific Method was invented in what, the 18th century?
Are you kidding?
Then you are disagreeing with Consensus cosmology, and not with me. They are the ones who consider such connections to be "anomalous".
Thats not what disproves it.
Consensus Cosmology is of the view that two objects that are billions of light years apart should not be connected.
Flying apart may explain the difference in redshift, but it does not explain the connection.I agree with the shot out part, but I dont agree with the dark energy part.
Dark energy is hypothetical, there is no evidence for it other than assumption, so I dont believe it does anything unless it can be empirically verified that it does.
Electrical discharge can be empirically verified, and does stuff, and would likely be the cause of the shot out, since galaxies are electrically driven, as was illustrated before.
Objects are shot out from galaxies similar to how mass is ejected from the sun during coronal mass ejection Electrical discharge.
Are you aware that it is Consensus Cosmology that considers it to be anomalous, and not me? So it would seem like you are disagreeing with them, since you have an explanation and they dont.
We are in agreement here on the most part, except for the dark energy stuff.
What you are missing is that two objects separating is not what disproves it. It is the connection of those two objects that disproves it.
In Consensus Cosmology, two objects that are billions of light years apart being connected is considered to be impossible.
In Plasma Cosmology, all galaxies in the Universe are electrically linked through electrified Cosmic Plasma, similar to how all planets in our solar system are electrically linked to the sun.
All Planets are electrically linked to Stars, All Stars are electrically linked to Galaxies, and All Galaxies are electrically linked through Cosmic Plasma, which makes up more than 99% of the Universe, the Electric Universe.
In addition: Redshift:
"Halton C. Arp is a professional astronomer who, earlier in his career, was Edwin Hubble's assistant. He earned the Helen B.Warner prize, the Newcomb Cleveland award and the Alexander von Humboldt Senior Scientist Award. For years he worked at the Mt.Palomar and Mt.Wilson observatories. While there, he developed his well known catalog of "Peculiar Galaxies" that are misshapen or irregular in appearance...
Arp believes that the observed redshift value of any object is made up of two components: the inherent component and the velocity component. The velocity component is the only one recognized by mainstream astronomers. The inherent redshift is a property of the matter in the object. It apparently changes over time in discrete steps.
He suggests that quasars are typically emitted from their parent galaxies with inherent redshift values of up to z = 2. They continue to move away, with stepwise decreasing inherent redshift. Often, when the inherent redshift value gets down to around z = 0.3, the quasar starts to look like a small galaxy or BL Lac object and begins to fall back, with still decreasing redshift values, toward its parent. He has photos and diagrams of many such family groupings.
Any additional redshift (over and above its inherent value) is indeed indicative of the object's velocity. But the inherent part is an indication of the object's youth and usually makes up the larger fraction of a quasar's total redshift."
This explains why objects of two different redshifts are seen to be connected. One is the baby quasar (higher redshift), and the other is the parent galaxy (lower redshift). The baby quasar was "shot out" or ejected from the core of the parent galaxy.
As the quasar speeds away by the ejection, a plasma tail trails behind that connects it to its parent galaxy. Eventually the quasar slows down, settles, and cools, becoming a part of a galaxy cluster family. This is how galaxies are born.
Mr. Arps scientific observations did not go down well with the Big Bang theologians. His scientific observations did not fit their religious belief in the Big Bang model, so he was subsequently excommunicated from among the Consensus.
I told you earlier that galaxies are not held together or driven by gravity, its done by electromagnetism, which is 1000, billion, billion, billion, billion times more powerful than gravity. The infinitely weak force of gravity is secondary to the infinitely powerful force of electromagnetism.
It is the flawed Big Bang model that requires so much non-existent gravity. This is why they have to make up hypothetical dark stuff to account for what they consider to be missing. There is nothing missing. Its all electromagnetism.
Electromagnetic force move things around. It has been empirically verified to do so in the lab. Dark matter and dark energy has not.
You guys sound smart. I bet your mommies are very proud of you.
Because until you can show me non-empirical, sound, objective evidence that can be used to verify the existence of something then empirical evidence is all I can use. You ignored my question in that previous post. Can you show me any such non-empirical, sound, objective evidence? If you can then I will use it. In particular, can you show me any sound, objective evidenceempirical or non-empiricalsupporting the claims that your God, heaven, hell, angels, or Satan are real or that you will have eternal life?
To get this thread back on track, can you or any other Christian provide a single instance, ever, where God did it has been tested and verified as the true explanation for anything at all?
We always have to show you God. It is alot easier to help someone who will try to help himself.
Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that "diligently" seek Him.
Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
If any of you were sincere and diligent enough to seek after Him, He would be faithful to His word and meet you there.
Sounds like genius envy from you, champ.
Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
If any of you were sincere and diligent enough to seek after Him, He would be faithful to His word and meet you there.
Well, as the saying goes, "You would have had to have been there."What's wrong with asking for modern, independent lines of verification?
I've seen some mommies and daddies stick their kids on a church bus so the church could "baby sit" them for a couple hours each week.You guys sound smart. I bet your mommies are very proud of you.
15 For He says to Moses, I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. Romans 9:15-16
18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. 19 You will say to me then, Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will? 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, Why have you made me like this? 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? Romans 9:18-21
It doesn't matter how diligent we are, it doesn't matter how sincere we are. God will have compassion on whomever he wants and he will harden whoever he wants. We have no choice in the matter.
Ezekiel 11:18-21
18. And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence.
19. and I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
20. That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
21. But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith the Lord God.
I've seen some mommies and daddies stick their kids on a church bus so the church could "baby sit" them for a couple hours each week.
It's sad, but that really breaks my heart when I see kids attend church w/o their parents.
NT>OT. We have no choice in the matter, unless you want to explain why you believe Paul was lying.
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