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In other words, he's invoking quantum superposition?He's not saying we have a infinite past. he's saying we have a infinite ammount of prior events...
I'm still waiting for religion to offer a good answer as to why there needs to be a reason for why we are here.
Well they are observable effects, telling them to take a hike doesn't make them go away.What you're proposing then is an ongoing creatio ex nihilo.
A net zero is still creation, but God ended creating on the 7th day by resting (i.e. ceasing) from all His work.
If the Casmir Effect and that other thing you mentioned are science, then they can take a hike if they violate Scripture.
That's the way I feel about it.
Yes.However, on this one, I'd like to take issue with your scriptural interpretation... so God rested on the seventh day... does that preclude him from starting to work again on the eighth?
In other words, he's invoking quantum superposition?
Chapter and verse?Yes.
In the sense of ex nihilo creation, God finished His work.
Well, thems the facts. Sorry if it clashed with High School physics, but there you are. Newton's laws of motion aren't accurate either. But for 99.9985% of everyones practical purposes, the High School version of the laws of motion and the conservation principle work fine, to several decimal degrees accuracy.If not, then the Law of Conservation would be rendered nebulous.
This is where God's will comes in, though.Not at all... its like distances... there are an infinite number of distance measurements along a finite line, so too there is an infinite number of events within a finite period.
There is no limit to how many times you can divide a metre by half, and half again. So too there is no limit to how many times you can divide and divide a second.
Even though, for all practical purposes, the Planck length and Planck time do provide a practical limit to these divisions, there is no inherent reason one could not, if one wanted to, continue dividing even beyond the Planck time, half a Planck time, a quarter a Planck time length, a millionth a Planck time length... and so on.
You really don't listen to what other people have to say, do you? You just sort of barrel on talking about whatever, regardless of what anyone else is saying.This is where God's will comes in, though.
When God issues a prophecy, quantum superposition takes a hike.
When God issues a prophecy, infinite numbers can take a hike.
In other words, it is going to happen --- and nothing is going to stop it.
In addition, God declares the end from the beginning; and matters of quantum superposition can stand down.
It's as good as done.
This is why the Bible sometimes speaks of an event as having already happened, even though it is still pending.
Basic theology:Chapter and verse?
The Law of Conservation is the capstone of His creation.Genesis 2:1-3 said:Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Them am the facts, and them don't clash with high school physics at all.Well, thems the facts. Sorry if it clashed with High School physics, but there you are.
I don't care if you divide time into yocto-Planck units --- you can still consider the universe done and over with in precisely 1000 years, if God so ordains it.OK, so lets say God decides the universe will exist for (for the sake of argument) precisely 1000 years. Thats a finite length of time, however there are still an INFINITE number of time measurements in that thousand years. No matter how small an amount of time you determine, that length of time can always be halfed. Quartered, eithed, millionthed, and so on.
If you want to insist that the High School version is the accurate one, and that the conservation principle is in effect, precisely the way you describe... care to explain the Casimir Effect, Hawking Radiation, evaporating black holes, and why not have a crack at the expanding universe and Hubble's Constant, while we're at it?Basic theology:The Law of Conservation is the capstone of His creation.Them am the facts, and them don't clash with high school physics at all.
As I have said more than twice now, God instituted the Law of Conservation in Genesis 2, and it has been in operation since then.
The Creation Week is the only time ever when the Law of Conservation did not exist.
I don't care if you divide time into yocto-Planck units --- you can still consider the universe done and over with in precisely 1000 years, if God so ordains it.
What point are you making, anyway?
We seem to be on the same page here.
No, I sure don't.If you want to insist that the High School version is the accurate one, and that the conservation principle is in effect, precisely the way you describe... care to explain the Casimir Effect, Hawking Radiation, evaporating black holes, and why not have a crack at the expanding universe and Hubble's Constant, while we're at it?
Whatever --- I guess.The point is that even in 1000 years, there are an infinite number of time periods, or events, if you will.
Thus you can have an infinite number of previous events, without having an infinite past.
I'll be more than happy to include them in my science-can-take-a-hike motto, or filter them out via my boolean standards, or just automatically assume they're wrong vis-a-vis my Prime Directive, if you want.
Your call.
I warn you though --- don't bother giving me a screen and a half of science, then expect me to kowtow to it, or you'll be disappointed when I handwave it away because it can't get past any of my three checkpoints listed above.
has it occurred to you, AV, that neither the universe nor God is about you?
Now were starting to get into the real atheistic philosophy.
Are you a fan of moral nihilism?
Well, Christians can give you a why - because God loves us and he created us for His pleasure. That's the Biblical part. The "why" question for philosophers or science is why there is something rather than nothing. Why not just plain old nothing?I'd say it's just general philosophy, not specific to atheism. Also, I note that you have not provided an answer as to why there need be a why.
Nope. Not totally familiar with the details, though, so I can't say much about it either way. Definitely not a fan at the moment.
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