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I have been pondering this question very much lately because I hear it soooooo much from professing born-again-christians. The interesting thing is that when I hear it, it usually involves something being done by that christian that God probably would not approve of and possibly would call "sin". One particular thing comes to my mind - this is often the cry of those who divorce their spouse (or are contemplating it.)

This excerpt from a series on happiness by Times Journal made me want to post it here to see what other's reactions and thoughts are about how God might view "happiness" of His chosen.

Does God Want Us to Be Happy?

Sunday, Jan. 09, 2005 By DAVID VAN BIEMA

If you are interested in God's position on human happiness, please proceed to Chapter 12 of Luke, where Jesus seems to take a slap at Ecclesiastes. The author of the earlier book, a seen-it-all, done-it-all type attuned to life's brevity, famously observed, "Man hath no better thing ... than to eat, and to drink and to be merry" in the time "God giveth him under the sun." Jesus, in a parable, puts these very words in the mouth of a man who reaps an unexpected bumper crop, plans bigger barns to hold it and anticipates a kind of Miami retirement: "And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou has much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink and be merry." But then Jesus lowers the boom: "God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be?" The message: happiness in this life is--emphatically--beside the point.
Anthropologists will tell you that religion is a mirror held up to humanity, and as such must accommodate as many definitions of happiness as we can imagine. Transcendence or material gain? Contentment or ecstasy? Individual or social joy? All are addressed somewhere, perhaps most broadly in classic Hindu scripture, which spoke of a "calculus of bliss" and parsed four ascending human "aims": worldly pleasure, power, righteousness and transcendence. But in Western Christianity the question has often been framed more narrowly: whether God wants us to savor this life or whether its only true joys are the anticipation of heaven and obedience to his sometimes inscrutable will.
Don't recall the debate? It was a doozy while it lasted, especially since Jesus was not obviously consistent on the topic. (Matthew's Beatitudes see joy almost entirely in the future tense, but Johnpromises a this-worldly "whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do.") Discussion was especially intense in U.S. Protestantism from the 18th to the early 20th century. Says E. Brooks Holifield, author of Theology in America: "The issue that emerged is whether God's primary end for human existence is God's own glory, or human happiness." Religious liberals thought the two were alike. Conservatives wondered, If God rules the world and bad things happen to good people, then his happiness clearly diverges from ours--and why should he endorse our ill-informed and oft-depraved ideas of joy? Extremists in this camp remarked that the most unhappy thing they could imagine was to be damned eternally. What if God, for his own reasons, made this seemingly outlandish demand? True happiness, they concluded, would lie in glorifying him through obedience.
 

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I have been pondering this question very much lately because I hear it soooooo much from professing born-again-christians. The interesting thing is that when I hear it, it usually involves something being done by that christian that God probably would not approve of and possibly would call "sin". One particular thing comes to my mind - this is often the cry of those who divorce their spouse (or are contemplating it.)

This excerpt from a series on happiness by Times Journal made me want to post it here to see what other's reactions and thoughts are about how God might view "happiness" of His chosen.

My answer is Yes and No. God's main goal for Christians is to be conformed to CHRIST'S IMAGE. Not be arbitrarily "happy" in this world.

We're called OUT of this world, and Jesus said that He calls to a life that is more abundant (than what the world/flesh can offer us).

So, no, sin isn't the way to bring an abundant life for the Christian. Obedience to God is.

By the way, I don't see the actual 'divorce' as the sin - the sin occurs when they become involved w/ another partner and/or remarry (becuz God hasn't recognized the divorce to dissolve it for lawful reasons: death/adulerty).

If you ask me, our culture is sinking so far down into moral depravity, that even Christians are becomming [willful] casualties as if God isn't keeping any score anymore.

I truly believe people are losing their fear of the Lord.

Is. 57:11
"Of whom were you worried and fearful
When you lied, and did not remember Me
Nor give Me a thought?
Was I not silent even for a long time
So you do not fear Me?

Jer 6:15
Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time [that] I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
 
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I have been pondering this question very much lately because I hear it soooooo much from professing born-again-christians. The interesting thing is that when I hear it, it usually involves something being done by that christian that God probably would not approve of and possibly would call "sin". One particular thing comes to my mind - this is often the cry of those who divorce their spouse (or are contemplating it.)

This excerpt from a series on happiness by Times Journal made me want to post it here to see what other's reactions and thoughts are about how God might view "happiness" of His chosen.

Does God Want Us to Be Happy?

Sunday, Jan. 09, 2005 By DAVID VAN BIEMA

If you are interested in God's position on human happiness, please proceed to Chapter 12 of Luke, where Jesus seems to take a slap at Ecclesiastes. The author of the earlier book, a seen-it-all, done-it-all type attuned to life's brevity, famously observed, "Man hath no better thing ... than to eat, and to drink and to be merry" in the time "God giveth him under the sun." Jesus, in a parable, puts these very words in the mouth of a man who reaps an unexpected bumper crop, plans bigger barns to hold it and anticipates a kind of Miami retirement: "And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou has much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink and be merry." But then Jesus lowers the boom: "God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be?" The message: happiness in this life is--emphatically--beside the point.
Anthropologists will tell you that religion is a mirror held up to humanity, and as such must accommodate as many definitions of happiness as we can imagine. Transcendence or material gain? Contentment or ecstasy? Individual or social joy? All are addressed somewhere, perhaps most broadly in classic Hindu scripture, which spoke of a "calculus of bliss" and parsed four ascending human "aims": worldly pleasure, power, righteousness and transcendence. But in Western Christianity the question has often been framed more narrowly: whether God wants us to savor this life or whether its only true joys are the anticipation of heaven and obedience to his sometimes inscrutable will.
Don't recall the debate? It was a doozy while it lasted, especially since Jesus was not obviously consistent on the topic. (Matthew's Beatitudes see joy almost entirely in the future tense, but Johnpromises a this-worldly "whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do.") Discussion was especially intense in U.S. Protestantism from the 18th to the early 20th century. Says E. Brooks Holifield, author of Theology in America: "The issue that emerged is whether God's primary end for human existence is God's own glory, or human happiness." Religious liberals thought the two were alike. Conservatives wondered, If God rules the world and bad things happen to good people, then his happiness clearly diverges from ours--and why should he endorse our ill-informed and oft-depraved ideas of joy? Extremists in this camp remarked that the most unhappy thing they could imagine was to be damned eternally. What if God, for his own reasons, made this seemingly outlandish demand? True happiness, they concluded, would lie in glorifying him through obedience.
To so many Television Evangelist, The idea of Prosperity and material wealth is the center of living a Christian life. The whole name it and claim it mentality is just another telemarketing scam. I remember going to to a prayer group meeting and one guy told me that the Christian life was beyond his wildest dream. He was speaking of his happiness. I was like ahh BS. I remember a priest telling me that We do not go around pain in life, we go through it. I find this to be more the reality. Does not the scripture say. "Pick up your cross and follow me" ? So I would say that the essence of the Christian life is about Healing, and in order to be healed, one must continual go through pain. Life on a scale is probally more about suffering than about happiness. Not that we don't experience the feelings of happiness, but in liffe they are all too fleeting.
 
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I don't know Nadiine,Everytime I get into a discussion with a "christian" about an area of potential sin...I hear the same ole' words...God (Jesus) wants me to be happy". ^_^ Obedience seems to be ONLY when it doesn't hurt to do it.

I love the scriptures you bring up too. :amen:

But my question is...how can a christian NOT be happy being obedient to the Lord?Is it as Paul says...he does the things he shouldn't but doesn't do the things he should because the flesh is weak?

Thanks for your thoughts too about divorce and whether it is sin...I guess here we'll just agree to disagree...I think divorce is a sin - the sin of unforgiveness. (That would be an interesting thread u think?) heehee
 
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Here is one person thoughts on the article.​


Happy TIME

Part 1 of the series “Happy TIME”​

Posted at 11:30 p.m. on Tuesday, January 11, 2005​

The cover of the latest TIME magazine caught my attention as I sorted through the mail yesterday. “The Science of Happiness” it proudly proclaims, illustrated by an atomic happy face. Among the bullet points beneath the headline I saw something else that grabbed my interest: “Does God want us to be happy?” Now there’s something I’ve got to read, I thought. And so I did.​

TIME’s focus on happiness is the subject of a 68-page special feature (counting the ads), with numerous articles, including: “The New Science of Happiness,” “The Biology of Joy,” “The Real Truth About Money,” and “The Power to Uplift.” The writers examine happiness from a variety of perspectives, including psychological, sociological, biological, and theological points of view. All in all I found the collection of articles to be informative and engaging. I’ll have more to say about the theological pieces later. But at this point I’ll simply mention that they seemed basically fair and even-handed.​

TIME begins by spotlighting a new field of psychology, called positive psychology. Whereas the bulk of psychology in the past has focused on mental illness, positive psych looks at healthy, happy people and asks: What makes them this way?​





I guess the first question would have to be how do we define happiness. In Psalms we see how the heart can be glad, our glory can rejoice, but the flesh it shall rest in hope. Again, I the question would be how do we define happiness.​


I hope to stay in the fulness of joy that comes from being in His presence.​


Psalms 16:7-11​

7I will bless the LORD, who hath given me counsel: my reins also instruct me in the night seasons.
8I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.
9Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.
10For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
11Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.
 
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Hey there eastcoast,

You are RIGHT ON regarding the "name it and claim it" doctrine being taught. At one time in my christian walk I was naming and claiming everything...I can't remember a single thing I claimed that I actually received. At that time I had much already.

Now I have nothing (a pauper) and have been through so much PAIN I could fill-up a library if I wrote about it.
I look only to Jesus because He loves me unconditionally and has been there with me THROUGH the pain. You are so right.

We wouldn't need Jesus if we had everything and no sorrow in life would we?

What scriptures teach us to seek happiness? And if so, is the happiness we seek the same as what God would seek? Anyone got any scriptures? Nadiine gave some good ones.
 
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Hallelujah! This is the same excerpt I was quoting from which led me to start this thread. Thanks for providing the link. I think the series is dead on too. If you listen to TV ministers and even local preachers - how much is mentioned about sin, hell, suffering/pain, etc.? Along the same lines, God is often shared as one-sided IMO..the loving, gentle, forgiving side. But what about the jealous, holy, wrathful, and just God? Where did He go?

I personally can't see how what we call happiness is the same as what God calls it...but that's just my opinion.
 
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Psalms 16:7-11
7I will bless the LORD, who hath given me counsel: my reins also instruct me in the night seasons.
8I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.
9Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.
10For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 11Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.


I wonder what it means, "the flesh also shall rest in hope"? I heard a pastor teaching today and he told the story of a 17 year-old boy who wrote this about God:

"I think the devil is so cool. He let's you do all the things in life that are fun. God doesn't let you do anything...he's (God) is boring!"

I feel many adult "christians" may be as deceived by the enemy as this teen seems to be.
 
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Psalms 16:7-11
7I will bless the LORD, who hath given me counsel: my reins also instruct me in the night seasons.
8I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.
9Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.
10For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 11Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.


I wonder what it means, "the flesh also shall rest in hope"? I heard a pastor teaching today and he told the story of a 17 year-old boy who wrote this about God:

"I think the devil is so cool. He let's you do all the things in life that are fun. God doesn't let you do anything...he's (God) is boring!"

I feel many adult "christians" may be as deceived by the enemy as this teen seems to be.

Acts 2:25-31
25For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
28Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

I believe the scriptures are talking about how the Lord will not leave our flesh in the grave, but raise us up incorruptable, and we shall be changed.

1 Cor 15:52-54

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.


I believe that to many people are remaking the Lord into something that is more pallible to them. Someone that will let them do and be happy in what they believe is true happiness, not tasting what happiness the Lord has for them.
 
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Matt 5:
3"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

The English word "blessed" in the passage comes from the Greek word "makarios {mak-ar'-ee-os}" and it means "blessed, happy."

So the answer to your question is yes. However to have this happiness it requires us doing things His way. If we do not then we will not have true happiness. :amen:
 
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We're supposed to be obedient to God AND to be happy with what He sends our way. We're NOT supposed to use "being happy" as justification for doing whatever we want.
So: Does He want us to be happy? You bet- but we'll never really be happy unless w are doing things HIS way rather than our own.
 
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Matt 5:
3"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

The English word "blessed" in the passage comes from the Greek word "makarios {mak-ar'-ee-os}" and it means "blessed, happy."

So the answer to your question is yes. However to have this happiness it requires us doing things His way. If we do not then we will not have true happiness. :amen:

Excellent! Seems that God has given us the route to happiness. And, once again it is obvious that....

Isaiah 55:8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the Lord. 9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

The world tells us that gratification is found in satisfying the lust of the eye, lust of the flesh, and the pride of life. Not so!!!!

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.
 
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That's basically what I came online to say regarding the word "rejoice" as quoted in savedfromdistructions post.

Yes, the word says "rejoice in The Lord always... again, I say rejoice!"

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Excellent! Seems that God has given us the route to happiness. And, once again it is obvious that....

Isaiah 55:8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the Lord. 9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

The world tells us that gratification is found in satisfying the lust of the eye, lust of the flesh, and the pride of life. Not so!!!!

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.
:amen:

His goal is that none would perish - and those who are His would be conformed to His image.

Happiness (& joy & peace) is the BYPRODUCT OF BEING CLOSER TO /CONFORMED TO GOD, not necessarily being "happy" in our world.

In all things we praise Him - good times and bad. I thank the Lord today for His love & mercy.:holy:
 
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No one can find true happiness in this world, not without God. All things are temporal outside of our salvation in him. God wants us to have contentment for without it no one can be happy.
I totally agree
 
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:amen:

His goal is that none would perish - and those who are His would be conformed to His image.

Happiness (& joy & peace) is the BYPRODUCT OF BEING CLOSER TO /CONFORMED TO GOD, not necessarily being "happy" in our world.

In all things we praise Him - good times and bad. I thank the Lord today for His love & mercy.:holy:

Exactly! The world looks to please the flesh - drugs, alcohol, relationships, material goods, etc... But, true happiness is spiritual and from God.
 
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Excellent! Seems that God has given us the route to happiness. And, once again it is obvious that....

Isaiah 55:8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the Lord. 9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

The world tells us that gratification is found in satisfying the lust of the eye, lust of the flesh, and the pride of life. Not so!!!!

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.
This is indeed excellent! I concur! :smile:

So why is the destruction of the family in marriage breakdowns such a problem in the christian church? Is there HAPPINESS in divorce and remarriage? Or is it an illusion of happiness brought about by the lusts of the flesh? As a christian, I am alarmed by the number of divorces in the land and the devastation it wreaks on children.
 
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