Does God predestine someone to hell?

[tonychanyt]

See Does God predestine someone to hell?

 

[Always in His Presence]

No

 

[Jacque_Pierre22]

My opinion is ....No, God wants all to be saved but we can resist grace and deny him by refusing to repent. Even though God knows that certain people were never going to believe because of his omniscience. If God created only the elect, then we would be living in an almost heaven on earth situation, there would be peace like (Isaiah 11:6) , which is something that is future not present.

 

[GenemZ]

Isaiah 14:


Romans 8:


Strong's 4309: To foreordain, predetermine, mark out beforehand. From pro and horizo; to limit in advance, i.e. predetermine.

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G4309 occurs 6 times in the NT.

Acts 4:


1 Corinthians 2:


Ephesians 1:


Predestination is related to God's sovereign will/plan over all people according to God's hidden wisdom. From my own personal experience, even years before I called myself a Christian, I believed that he was looking after me even though I didn't know him.

Now, does God predestine someone to hell?

I do not find that kind of wording in the Bible, that God predestines some to hell. However, we do have Jude 1:


2 Peter 2:


The word for "condemnation" is G2917. It does not always refer to eternal condemnation.

There are two issues here: (1) predestine someone to (2) eternal death. The lexical evidence is not that strong when I consider both issues at the same time.

God does not predestine them to Hell.

He predestines not to coerce their choices that He foreknows that will end them in Hell.

God will attempt to convince and influence. But, never to coerce.

What God predetermines for the believer pertains to which dispensation they shall live and be blessed accordingly.
For not every believer throughout time has been chosen by God to become the Bride of Christ!


grace and peace ...........

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I understand this to mean that God knew there would be a class or body of people who would reject the gospel and be lost. But I do not think it refers to individuals who were predestined.

 

[BBAS 64]

Good Day, Tony

No there is nothing God needs to do man apart from God by his very nature is a lover of darkness, and by his very nature a sinner thus commits sin.

That sin makes him worthy of God's judgment of him. He does not get mercy and He is not adopted by God. God adopts His own children as he see fit and according to His willful purposes which can not fail.

God is free to have Mercy where so ever He chooses, so it is a Merciful act that God does ( verb) in predestinating us for Adoption according to His purpose of will (not ours) he exercises His Freedom and He is please to do so, and we praise Him for it.



Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.

Predestination is related to God's sovereign will/plan over all people according to God's hidden wisdom. From my own personal experience, even years before I called myself a Christian, I believed that he was looking after me even though I didn't know him.

I just want to understand Tony the pronoun us in Eph you think refers to all people.


In Him,

Bill

 

[BBAS 64]

I understand this to mean that God knew there would be a class or body of people who would reject the gospel and be lost. But I do not think it refers to individuals who were predestined.

Good day, SBG

Is not a group or class of people made up of individual people.

All sinners go to hell, is not every induvial in that group a Hell bound single person?

Does not God adopt( verb) His children individually?

In Him,

Bill

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Good day, SBG

Is not a group or class of people made up of individual people.

All sinners go to hell, is not every induvial in that group a Hell bound single person?

Does not God adopt( verb) His chidden individually?

In Him,

Bill

Thank you for your comment!

 

[GenemZ]

I understand this to mean that God knew there would be a class or body of people who would reject the gospel and be lost. But I do not think it refers to individuals who were predestined.

Is that a denominational teaching?

 

[Der Alte]

Isaiah 14:
Romans 8:
Strong's 4309: To foreordain, predetermine, mark out beforehand. From pro and horizo; to limit in advance, i.e. predetermine.
HELPS Word-studies
G4309 occurs 6 times in the NT.
Acts 4:
1 Corinthians 2:
Ephesians 1:
Predestination is related to God's sovereign will/plan over all people according to God's hidden wisdom. From my own personal experience, even years before I called myself a Christian, I believed that he was looking after me even though I didn't know him.
Now, does God predestine someone to hell?
I do not find that kind of wording in the Bible, that God predestines some to hell. However, we do have Jude 1:
2 Peter 2:
The word for "condemnation" is G2917. It does not always refer to eternal condemnation.
There are two issues here: (1) predestine someone to (2) eternal death. The lexical evidence is not that strong when I consider both issues at the same time.

One of your posts which I agree with completely.