Does God learn from Man? Is God all-knowing?

TheOriginalWhitehorse · Dec 9, 2003

tcampen said:
Interestingly enough, this very statement, if true, means that God is NOT omnipotent, for an all knowing god cannot be suprized by anything, not even voluntarily. It all gets back to the irreconcilable dilemma of free will vs. omniscience.

Very true...

Pastor_Benjamin · Feb 25, 2004

God is all knowing and all powerful Amen.

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Kirei · Feb 25, 2004

Any argument to back that Pastor ?
Almighty, yes, perhaps, or at least as powerful as we can conceive (which is not necessarily almighty) but omniscient ?
If God's omniscient and omnipotent, what's the point of creating something at all. A perfect being doesn't need, or want, company.
So I believe that although God is almighty and wise beyond the human ability to conceive, he is NOT omniscient, and can be surprised. In fact, I believe that is the whole point of creation, to surprise God.

chriscarlander · Mar 21, 2004

Does God learn from Man? Is God all-knowing?

He probably has learned from man, and quite sure he's all-knowing. He's seen and learned enough to conclude that we're not worth it! He's given up on us.

"I prefer to think that God is not dead, only drunk."

Q Logic · Mar 27, 2004

MoonlessNight said:
I think that the best example of God learning anything from man is when Abraham confronts God about Soddom and Gommorah, and has to convince God to be just. There's no way around it really. God is set to destroy the cities, but decides to tell Abraham. Abraham begs God to spare the city if enough righteous men are found. Abraham even has the audacity to ask God "Shall not the Judge of all the earth do what is just?" (Genesis 18.25) And in the end, he does change God's mind, and it seems that he convinced God that his way was indeed the just way. If that was so, then God did learn something from Abraham.

Changing Gods Mind ? Are you For Real ?

The God of Abraham , Who Created Abraham , Who chose Abraham to

Represent God as Prophet and Messenger of God , Makes Abraham

Knowledgable And More Just then God ???

God The Creator of Knowledge, That has no Begining and Has no End.

Was convinced by Abraham to Change his Mind ?

God Learning From Abraham ??? The Creator of all living and non

Living Things , The seeing of all unseen things , Have Some one like Abraham

Or Any Creation of God Convincve The Creator ???

Where do You People get your Knowledge From ?

Christian Philosophy Really Shocks me

Blissman · Mar 27, 2004

There is in my mind a confusion: How can God be all knowing and give man free will at the same time? Free will includes the ability to accept or reject the word of God. For there to be sin, one must choose to sin or fail to obey God's laws and His words. How can you both give a creation a choice to disobey, be all knowing, and love? If you love, you would not want your children to suffer, unless you were a sadistic God, in which case 'Love' is not the same definition that I know love to be. If it were so, sadism would be love. If you had pre-desitined man to be capable of suffering the misery of not obeying His words, than you had predestined that man could suffer. Assuming that were all knowing, and knew each detail of the life of everyone's future, you would know who and when your children would suffer. Does love include suffering or is God not all-knowing or is there no pre-destination?

Also, when God had destroyed all but Noah and his wife, and two of each animal on the Ark, and as only man has knowlege of good and evil, (beasts,
and other life does not), why would God kill all but two of each?

If God is all knowing, why create 'Model A' which will fail? If you know that it will fail, why create it so that you would need to destroy most life to ensure a 'Model B' (unless you were either imperfect, not all-knowing, were sadistic, or immature)? Are we God's toys?

Christian24 · Mar 27, 2004

God might have learned from man but he is Perfect so how could something perfect learn to be better?

TheOriginalWhitehorse · Mar 27, 2004

Well, for starters, we laready rejected the Lord when we sinned. Sin is a rejection of God. But it is through His grace alone that we can be saved. He predestines and foreknows us, both.

Christian24, you're right-God is perfect. How can He learn anything? And from sinful, imperfect man? It's impossible.

God put us in an amazing creation. We are amazing creations. But to think of God as being imperfect is really just man's way of trying to usurp the throne again. Lessen God as it were so man can be more, except for the obvious fact that man's attempts to even try to be a god is based on pure illusion and deception.

Q Logic · Mar 28, 2004

Abraham Might of Asked God To show Mercy on His People!

It Doesn't Mean That Abraham convinced God ! it Means That God Granted Abrahams

Prayer or Wish to be Mercy on his People. ( example)

You Cannot Teach God, Who Taught Man , The Unknown.!

Salsa_1960 · Mar 28, 2004

Blissman said:
If you had pre-desitined man to be capable of suffering the misery of not obeying His words, than you had predestined that man could suffer. Assuming that were all knowing, and knew each detail of the life of everyone's future, you would know who and when your children would suffer. Does love include suffering or is God not all-knowing or is there no pre-destination?

Blissman,
Read pp 166-170 in the book that I mailed you for Christmas, "Mere Christianity." I just read that chapter the other day and C.S. Lewis touches on your question of pre-destination and foreknowledge here.

~Sandy

Pastor_Benjamin · Aug 13, 2004

God is all knowing

tcampen · Aug 16, 2004

Pastor_Benjamin said:
God is all knowing

If that is true, then there is no free will. One can either accept that god is all knowing OR that we have free will, because Omniscience and Free Will are mutually exclusive concepts - as far as logic and reason are concerned. There is simply no way around this.

Unless, or course, one accepts the concept that the supernatural transcends logic by definition. But if one accepts this, then one must then leave open the probability that more than one faith can simultaneously be true - despite the appearance of mutual exclusivity. (in other words, Christianity can be be true, AND so can Judiaism, Buddhism, Islam, LDS, Shinto, etc.)

Irony can be pretty ironic, sometimes.

Ryal Kane · Aug 16, 2004

Bender: Do you know what I'm going to do, even before I do it?

GOD: Yes.

Bender: What If I o something else?

GOD: Then I don't know that.

Free will vs Omniscience arguement is easily solved by ignoring all logic.
Pick Box A or Box B, but you can't pick Box A.

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