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PassionFruit · Jul 4, 2008

Parenting is effected. 1. If a so called couple adopts. Who will they pick? Males will pick male adoptions. Females will pick females. The mind can and will be influenced on to the child. 2. Emotional chaotic perceptions. The roles of men and women have no longer gender barriers! 3.Children barring is effected. 4.Family is effected. 5. Your design is effected, specially for males. God is effected.

What do you mean gender roles will be affected? How did you come to the conclusion that males would pick males and females would pick females? When same sex couples adopt this isn't always the case. And explain what you mean by the roles of men and women? Why should men and women be placed in specific roles? People shouldn't be placed in "roles" because people are more are more complex than that. Children who grew up in with same sex parents turn out to be very well adjusted.
http://www.apa.org/monitor/dec05/kids.html

You know what, I'm just going to conclude that you don't know what you're talking about.

For God is righteous and Holy. We need to be moral , have integrity, be righteous. Sexual feelings are acquired early, gradually,and sometimes without conscious thought. Homosexual have a much higher risk for sexually transmitted diseases and emotional problems. MENTAL HEALTH Evidence reported in the Archives of General Psychiatry suggests that gays and lesbians have higher rates of depression, suicidal thinking, and anxiety than other people. Other studies suggest that drug and alcohol use is also significantly higher for gays and lesbians. In a study of identical twins (one gay,one not) it has shown that on the average,male homosexuals were five times more likely to show suicide-related behavior or thoughts than their heterosexual twin.May God save us from our selves. SIN 1 Thess. 5:6

Just how are you defining morality here? Do you know why gays and lesbians are much more likely for mental health problems? Is has a lot to do with how gays and lesbians are treated. When you place social stigma on people, mental health problems are the consequence.

Really and know one see's San Francisco as the capital of Gay's. Of coarse the research is fact in San Francisco. What ever! I have come across more of your propaganda pushing agendas down my throat .Do as you please just leave my parenting ,family,marriage values and adoption agencies alone. There is a moral code and tolerance of this error only goes ,so far. I will stand for truth. I will not take immorality lying down.

Oh here we go, the old "quit attacking me and family with your homosexuality" argument. You seem have this view that only only heterosexuals are entitled to have families and get married. Why do you anti-gay folks have this sense of entitlement of having children and getting married?

I don't hate. I do how ever see an infliction of an enemy greater than the inflicted. And an agenda pushing for persuasion to their immorality. We have to put up with attacks like yours in every forum.Ya all write more on this than any other topic and it bleeds over into other topics. You push push push always looking for a fight and if anyone differs you quickly clan up and call out the wolves. Calling the the truth bigotry. Really who is the hypocrite.

Really? You come here basically bashing LGBT people and you feel like you're being attacked? Now you're getting upset when people call you out on it?

WhatThe · Jul 4, 2008

allhart said:
Really and know one see's San Francisco as the capital of Gay's. Of coarse the research is fact in San Francisco. What ever! I have come across more of your propaganda pushing agendas down my throat .Do as you please just leave my parenting ,family,marriage values and adoption agencies alone. There is a moral code and tolerance of this error only goes ,so far. I will stand for truth. I will not take immorality lying down.

And i have come across many of YOUR propaganda pushing agendas down MY throat. I'm sick of being told that i'm evil, sick, and degenerate just because i fell in love with someone.

I'm not trying to do anything to your marriage, parenting, or family values, all i want is for you to leave mine alone.

What right have you to say that homosexuals can't adopt? Newsflash - there are hundreds of thousands of kids in the USA alone who require loving families. Why deny them that?

If you think it's wrong to be gay, then don't be. The fact that i am is not going to affect your immortality one bit.

WhatThe · Jul 4, 2008

allhart said:
Knowledge of the so call elicit, with out wisdom. Your discernment comes out of self indulgences. Proclaiming nothing of truth only immorality.Having a relationship with God can and does give you a guilt free conscience.Other than that yourself willed life style will only have a short lived dominion. Meaning Gods Grace will only take so far.

So someone shows you a whole page of studies that prove what you said is wrong, and your only response is basically "If it's not from God, it's not worth reading"?
Now who's spreading propaganda.

katautumn · Jul 4, 2008

Let's just dispel some myths, shall we?

1. Being gay is not the same thing as someone being a drug addict or alcoholic.

2. San Francisco is not the "gay capital" of the world. I've got news for folks - they're everywhere. It's just that some regions foster a more tolerant environment which means gays and lesbians can be out of the closet without fear.

3. Gay and lesbian parents are not going to expect their children to conform and be gay or lesbian themselves, as they know it's the way you are born. And if this were the case, why is it that almost every homosexual in America was born to completely heterosexual parents?

4. If Christianity gives a person a guilt-free conscience, why are they so fixated with the "sins" of total strangers? Usually a preoccupation with that which has been deemed unacceptable or immoral is a sign of masking guilt and shame.

WhatThe · Jul 4, 2008

KatAutumn said:
Let's just dispel some myths, shall we?

1. Being gay is not the same thing as someone being a drug addict or alcoholic.

2. San Francisco is not the "gay capital" of the world. I've got news for folks - they're everywhere. It's just that some regions foster a more tolerant environment which means gays and lesbians can be out of the closet without fear.

3. Gay and lesbian parents are not going to expect their children to conform and be gay or lesbian themselves, as they know it's the way you are born. And if this were the case, why is it that almost every homosexual in America was born to completely heterosexual parents?

4. If Christianity gives a person a guilt-free conscience, why are they so fixated with the "sins" of total strangers? Usually a preoccupation with that which has been deemed unacceptable or immoral is a sign of masking guilt and shame.

KatAutumn, oh no! You presented mature, coherent arguments, how dare you!
Prepare to be bible bashed!

CCGirl · Jul 4, 2008

I am soooo thankful to live in a nation that allows homosexuals equal marriage and tolerance.

WhatThe · Jul 4, 2008

CCGirl said:
I am soooo thankful to live in a nation that allows homosexuals equal marriage and tolerance.

Three cheers for Canada!

Caylin · Jul 5, 2008

cantata said:
Yeah, I guess convincing her not to hate herself with kind words and the dextrous application of my various talents is the stuff of fantasy alone

You could come convince ME not to hate myself!

cantata · Jul 5, 2008

Caylin said:
You could come convince ME not to hate myself!

I'll bring the jam and the scarves - we'll make a night of improving your self-esteem

WhatThe · Jul 5, 2008

cantata said:
I'll bring the jam and the scarves - we'll make a night of improving your self-esteem

Sounds like fun!

sidhe · Jul 5, 2008

Just to clarify something:

I do take immorality lying down. And standing up. And sitting on the futon. And in several other positions. However, lying down is by far the easiest, though not the most interesting. Though interesting immoralities can be taken lying down. It's really a matter of preference and inclination.

Also: I can roll my Rs, I play guitar (and bass! the first two fingers of my right hand do amazing things), I have an actor's tongue, and a good director's expectation of obedience combined with a willingness to hear suggestions. I've heard I tend to get people to give their best performances.

On the OP: So much on this forum makes me sad, but some of the recovery section in particular.

TooCurious · Jul 5, 2008

allhart said:
Knowledge of the so call elicit, with out wisdom. Your discernment comes out of self indulgences. Proclaiming nothing of truth only immorality.Having a relationship with God can and does give you a guilt free conscience.Other than that yourself willed life style will only have a short lived dominion. Meaning Gods Grace will only take so far.

Translation: "I have no rebuttal for all those facts you just presented, so instead I'll launch an unfounded ad-hominem attack on your morality."

In response to the OP: I've never looked in on that section of the forums, mostly because I know I wouldn't be allowed to post anything helpful there. I do find it deeply saddening that people are taught to feel hatred and shame for such a basic and fundamental and healthy part of themselves. I find it distressing that love can be viewed as such a negative, repulsive thing.

Caylin · Jul 5, 2008

cantata said:
I'll bring the jam and the scarves - we'll make a night of improving your self-esteem

Woohoo! Too bad you are in the UK though. *pout*

BigBadWlf · Jul 5, 2008

TooCurious said:
Translation: "I have no rebuttal for all those facts you just presented, so instead I'll launch an unfounded ad-hominem attack on your morality."

You hit the nail squarely on the head there. Darn facts getting in the way of discrimination and prejudice

In response to the OP: I've never looked in on that section of the forums, mostly because I know I wouldn't be allowed to post anything helpful there. I do find it deeply saddening that people are taught to feel hatred and shame for such a basic and fundamental and healthy part of themselves. I find it distressing that love can be viewed as such a negative, repulsive thing.

I know. Ive tried to post in that forum several times. Usually trying to post facts when false claims about the APA or conversion therapy are made. But it seems no one there wants fact or truth

Sojourner1 · Jul 5, 2008

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