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Doctrinal Differences in Different Denominations

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Maybe I am slow, but I am only just now noticing this.

Since there are differences in beliefs among denominations, it only stands then that someone, somewhere is preaching heresy. And I am wondering who exactly.

I am an Independent Baptist, but I am not above saying that there may be heretical teachings in my denomination that I was unaware of until now. I'm kind of wondering what they are.

For instance, in my church it is taught to us that drinking all alcohol is bad and is not allowed, whereas the Catholics think it is OK as long as you don't get drunk. These teachings directly oppose each other and cancel each other out. One of us has to be wrong, and I don't know who it is.

Because I was raised Independent Baptist I have never tasted alcohol. Or smoked, or even cussed. And I have also never committed a single crime. I guess my upbringing was strict.

I would like to know about some more differences in teachings among denominations if you have that information.

Now I am wondering what the Lutherans believe.
 
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I am an Independent Baptist, but I am not above saying that there may be heretical teachings in my denomination that I was unaware of until now. I'm kind of wondering what they are.
This is a good, humble attitude to have. Basically what you're asking is to understand Church history. That's a lot of ground to cover, too much to do it justice through forum posts, but I can try to help.

To start, how do we know anything about what the early Christians believed? We have the Bible, yes, but how did it come to us? Ultimately it came to us through preservation by Christians over the centuries (and Jews, in the case of the Masoretic Text, but that's getting into the weeds a little too much).

What came as a surprise to me when I first started looking into all of this was that the Bible wasn't the only thing these early Christians preserved. They also wrote theological works that were preserved. So for example, we can know what the early Christians believed about baptism and communion, about how we can distinguish between legitimate and illegitimate spiritual authorities, and many other things.

We know from history that the church was always organized; Paul writes about the qualifications for becoming a bishop and the process of ordination involving a laying on of hands from those who are themselves already ordained. Clement of Rome in the 1st century and Irenaeus of Lyons in the 2nd century attest to the continuation of this process and its importance as a means of identifying legitimate spiritual authority: if someone was a bishop in this line, or ordained as a priest under a bishop in this line, and held the true faith, his authority was legitimate.

There were times when people would begin teaching new doctrines, arguing that their new doctrine was the authentic Christian teaching. These controversies were usually addressed by councils after the model of the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15. The biggest councils were called ecumenical councils - ecumenical meaning "worldwide" or "empire-wide." The first two of these gave us the form of the Nicene Creed we have today and condemned heretics who said that Jesus Christ wasn't God and that the Holy Spirit wasn't God.

When these councils condemned heretics, the heretics didn't immediately give up and say, "oh well, guess we were wrong, we repent." Some of them probably did, but for the most part they just separated themselves from the Church and retreated to an isolated geographical area. Arianism, for example, which taught that Jesus wasn't God, stuck around in the European barbarian tribes for a few centuries. These separations are called "schisms," and are spoken of in 1 Cor. 12:25. To clarify, schism was more often than not a small, local issue, and most schisms died out fairly quickly because there was a common understanding that legitimate authority necessarily required ordination from other legitimate authorities.

The first schisms that have lasted until today were the result of the third and fourth ecumenical councils. These were over differences in teaching about the nature of Christ. It's from these that the modern Assyrian Church of the East and Oriental Orthodox come, and these only recognize the ecumenical councils up to the ones they disagree with. In their view, they continue to uphold the authentic Christian teachings and those who accepted the councils were wrong.

The next lasting schism came in roughly the 11th century as the Roman Catholics and (Eastern) Orthodox went into schism over a variety of issues, mostly relating to doctrinal and disciplinary changes Rome had introduced. These each still consider themselves the Church (with a capital C), the legitimate continuation of the spiritual authority that started with our Lord's commission given to the Apostles.

Denominations come in in roughly the 16th century. There had been a kind of perfect storm brewing in western Europe for the past few centuries: a few proto-protestant groups had arisen, there was growing dissatisfaction with abuses within Catholicism, the printing press had been invented and allowed fast distribution of written works, and the German princes were itching for a way to redirect money that was being sent to Rome into their own treasuries. So when Martin Luther began teaching Lutheranism, instead of fizzling out, his movement found itself with state funding and support. Other rulers realized they could follow suit, so the Calvinists and Anglicans got state backing as well.

With the introduction of state-backed denominations, there was suddenly a doctrinal free-for-all. The differences in Protestant denominational beliefs come from this situation. It's important to note that in the earlier three schisms, although there were specific points of disagreement, the overall understanding of things like how the Church is organized, whether the Sacraments are a means of grace, whether iconography is allowed, all of that remained undisputed.

With the rise of Protestantism, that was no longer the case. You had people as conservative (relatively speaking) as Martin Luther arguing that Communion is truly the Body and Blood of our Lord, and you had people as off-the-rails as Lelio Sozzini arguing against the Trinity. The Anabaptists in particular changed a lot of doctrines, arguing that only "believers" (i.e. not infants) could be baptized, that there were no sacraments or "ordinances" but baptism and marriage, that communion was entirely symbolic, and many other things.

It's hard to nail down what any one movement taught because there was so much variety. Anglicanism retained many of the beliefs of Catholicism but changed their understanding of church organization to put the king at the top and notably changed their rite of ordination, resulting in Rome no longer recognizing its bishops as valid.

Another movement, Calvinism, didn't originally start out as what we know today as TULIP/five-point Calvinism, but the acronym isn't a bad summary. In short, it teaches that we have no free will and are predestined to salvation or damnation. If we become Christians and are ultimately saved, according to Calvinism that's entirely the result of God choosing to save us rather than anything we do in cooperation with Him.

Lutheranism traditionally shares a lot of its theology with Catholicism, but obviously reduces the place of the Pope of Rome compared to Catholicism. It teaches that we are justified by faith alone, although from what I understand Luther included things like faithful reception of the sacraments in "faith" and didn't mean just nominal acceptance of Jesus as your lord and savior.

All of the aforementioned Protestant groups share in their reduction or omission of the practices of venerating saints and having iconography.

The Protestant Reformation was not started with the intention of endless schism, but it was the proverbial camel's nose under the tent. As doctrines like seventh-day adventism, women's ordination, homosexual unions ("marriage"), ordination of homosexuals, etc. gained support, it was all too easy to form a "party" within a denomination and start a new schism where you could go off and do whatever you want. This is why there are so many denominations today that trace their roots back to the Protestant Reformation, while successive schisms from the Church of the East, Oriental Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox, and Roman Catholics have been very few and far between.
 
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Always refer to the word, then prayer. I like where you’re at, it’s humble.

On alcohol:
“He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, And herb for the service of man: That he may bring forth food out of the earth; And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, And oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭104‬:‭14‬-‭15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭5‬:‭23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: And whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.”
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭20‬:‭1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭2‬-‭3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14‬:‭21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

What is the Lord trying to tell you? See, the problem is these are complex conversations with multiple layers to consider, & we want a quick proverb to summarize it in one sentence. You fall into the trap of heresy when you don’t dive deep enough into the waters of wisdom. Think on it, pray on it, let the Lords wisdom guide you to truth - he will convict you. Then you will know.
 
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Always refer to the word, then prayer. I like where you’re at, it’s humble.

On alcohol:
“He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, And herb for the service of man: That he may bring forth food out of the earth; And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, And oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭104‬:‭14‬-‭15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭5‬:‭23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: And whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.”
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭20‬:‭1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭2‬-‭3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14‬:‭21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

What is the Lord trying to tell you? See, the problem is these are complex conversations with multiple layers to consider, & we want a quick proverb to summarize it in one sentence. You fall into the trap of heresy when you don’t dive deep enough into the waters of wisdom. Think on it, pray on it, let the Lords wisdom guide you to truth - he will convict you. Then you will know.
Moderation always. Different circumstances call for the appropriate reasons and motivation.
 
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I've encountered Christians lax on alchohol & some very strict.

The ones lax on it think think you can do it maturely. The ones strict on it think it always leads to problems. Most you'll encounter are lax on it. Since most think that, does that make them right.

One thing you'll learn about denominations is there's a lot of difference between people even in a denomination. Ask them what the denomination believes & you'll get 100 different answers. The denomination likely no longer believes whatever it believed when it was started. I don't want this to sound like there's no answers & no nobody knows, but what I'm trying to say is we can't rely on man, we have to go to God's Word to know & test what we come across. Was the denomination founded by man to serve man's interest.

In my experience Christians are often not strict enough on alchohol. 'Time & a place' becomes 'I want to be like the world'. Rather then trying to take the holy ground we have an easy time falling for the world's temptations. Hearing the danger of alchol is too much to ask, but you'll frequently hear 'oh it's all okay.' That's not right.
 
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@Michie & @DragonFox91 you’re both on the right path, I would add more, I provided the Word. It says alcohol is good. It says it can be used as medicine. It says drunkenness always makes you a fool; to sin. It says if you’re a leader, don’t drink. If it causes your brother to stumble, lay it down. The point is, the Lord should convict you, He has given you the wisdom to know the truth.
 
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Maybe I am slow, but I am only just now noticing this.

Since there are differences in beliefs among denominations, it only stands then that someone, somewhere is preaching heresy. And I am wondering who exactly.

I am an Independent Baptist, but I am not above saying that there may be heretical teachings in my denomination that I was unaware of until now. I'm kind of wondering what they are.

For instance, in my church it is taught to us that drinking all alcohol is bad and is not allowed, whereas the Catholics think it is OK as long as you don't get drunk. These teachings directly oppose each other and cancel each other out. One of us has to be wrong, and I don't know who it is.

Because I was raised Independent Baptist I have never tasted alcohol. Or smoked, or even cussed. And I have also never committed a single crime. I guess my upbringing was strict.

I would like to know about some more differences in teachings among denominations if you have that information.

Now I am wondering what the Lutherans believe.

The most common error among Nicene Christians at present seems to be Nestorianism, which is separating between the humanity of Christ and the deity of Christ. We must recognize that in the incarnation, according to Isaih, Matthew ch. 2, Luke ch. 1-2, and John 1:1-18, the only begotten Son and Word of God became man, uniting our humanity to His divinity without change, confusion, separation or division. As the Holy Apostle Paul writes, “in him the fullness of the Godhead dwelled bodily.”

Additionally I get nervous whenever I see a church discussing Jesus Christ and God as though they are separate entities, even if that church is nominally Trinitarian, since this suggests an implied Nestorianism, possibly even Arianism (denial of the deity of Christ).

So if I were you I would watch for these errors first and foremost.

Also, one interesting fact: our 27 book New Testament canon, and the defense of the Trinity against Arianism, were largely the work of a fourth century bishop, Athanasius of Alexandria, who endured severe persecution for his Christianity, being exiled for refusing to accept Arianism during the reign of Constantius and not returning to Alexandria until Julian “the Apostate”, a neo-Platonist who incorrectly believed releasing Athanasius from exile would cause chaos in the Alexandrian church (it did not, because the Arian bishop installed in place of Athanasius was spectacularly unpopular). In addition to the aforementioned accomplishments, Athanasius wrote the definitive biography of the ascetic hermit, Anthony the Great, the first of the Desert Fathers, and Quincunque Vult, a canticle also known as the Athanasian Creed, while not written by him, is derived from two theological articles he wrote.

Thus, I strongly suggest studying his writings, particularly On The Incarnation, as I feel that since he’s basically responsible for the fact that our Bibles have Revelations, Jude, 2 Peter, 2 John and 3 John, and lack 1 Barnabas, 1 Clement, Laodiceans, the Shepherd of Hermas and other books that are either spurious or are not apostolic texts but rather are of Patristic origin in the case of 1 Clement or the Shepherd. We know these alternate canons nearly happened because of the contents of fourth century Greek manuscripts liike Codex Sinaiticus, Codex Alexandrinus and so on, and also the contents of the initial version of the celebrated fourth centurtAramaic language translation known as the Syriac Peshitta (it did not gain the missing books until the sixth century, and then only in the West Syriac churches - the Syriac Orthodox and their offshoots, the Maronite Catholics; to this day the Assyrian Church of the East continues to use the 22 book New Testament in their version of the Peshitta, despite having since that time included the other five books in their NT canon.
 
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