Do You Watch Dateline?

[Rescued One]

They have an incredible show exposing FLDS called "Unbreakable."

 

[mourningdove~]

They have an incredible show exposing FLDS called "Unbreakable."

I had to look up FLDS.
I didn't know there are two kinds of Mormons: 'FLDS' and 'LDS'.
And apparently the FLDS believes in polygamy?

I don't normally watch Dateline, but I think I would have enjoyed the program.
My neighbors of many years were Mormons. (Definitely not FLDS.)

 

[Rescued One]

I had to look up FLDS.
I didn't know there are two kinds of Mormons: 'FLDS' and 'LDS'.
And apparently the FLDS believes in polygamy?

I don't normally watch Dateline, but I think I would have enjoyed the program.
My neighbors of many years were Mormons. (Definitely not FLDS.)

I was a CoJCoLDS Mormon for years: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It's a cult that doesn't practice polygamy at this time because it's against federal law. But they believe polygamy will be allowed in their highest degree of the celestial kingdom. Prophet Harold B. Lee was married twice. His first wife passed away and he married his second wife in the temple where they seal your marriage for eternity. So it is believed both wives will be his eternally. Many, if not most, Mormon converts don't know the secret doctrines of Mormonism. I have spent over fifty years researching this main Mormon church. It's disgusting at its core, but not half as bad as FLDS. However, the CoJCoLDS is now teaching 3-yr.-olds about polygamy. They are very devious and baptized me after only 6 lessons, withholding many, many secrets.

 

[mourningdove~]

I was a CoJCoLDS Mormon for years: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It's a cult that doesn't practice polygamy at this time because it's against federal law. But they believe polygamy will be allowed in their highest degree of the celestial kingdom. Prophet Harold B. Lee was married twice. His first wife passed away and he married his second wife in the temple where they seal your marriage for eternity. So it is believed both wives will be his eternally. Many, if not most, Mormon converts don't know the secret doctrines of Mormonism. I have spent over fifty years researching this main Mormon church. It's disgusting at its core, but not half as bad as FLDS. However, the CoJCoLDS is now teaching 3-yr.-olds about polygamy. They are very devious and baptized me after only 6 lessons, withholding many, many secrets.

Maybe you can explain something for me?

How does it work for a Mormon woman (with a grown Mormon family) who has a non-Mormon husband?
(As far as I know, there was no temple wedding 'to seal the marriage'.)
How is that situation viewed in the LDS?

 

[Rescued One]

Maybe you can explain something for me?

How does it work for a Mormon woman (with a grown Mormon family) who has a non-Mormon husband?
(As far as I know, there was no temple wedding 'to seal the marriage'.)
How is that situation viewed in the LDS?

I married my husband in a ward building as did my older sister. Mormons view that as not obedient enough to go to the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom where their two highest "Gods" are. You are not worthy to wear "temple garments" which is underwear. Eternal life is earned by obedience to Mormonism. Eternal life as they call it means you and your worthy spouse will be exalted to godhood. Those who do not earn exaltation will have immortality only and eventually go to a lower kingdom. Three kingdoms are Celestial, Terrestrial, and Telestial.
The Mormon woman's children if obedient enough can have temple marriages and become Gods. They will be sealed to worthy parents. It's a very complex religion. My sister wasn't interested in reading Mormon scripture but attended services regularly. She didn't know much about Mormonisn and didn't even think it mattered. The woman who gave the eulogy at her funeral came up to me afterwards and spoke disparagingly about her. She wanted my address but I didn't give it to her.

The Sunday services are very generic and don't reveal much because non-Mormons are invited to attend. Like other cults they love-bomb visitors in order to make converts.

Utah Lighthouse Ministry(UTLM) provides lots of accurate information. There are other online sources. But if you reveal your sources to Mormons they will tell you it's all misinformation. I've a library of authentic Mormon publications.

This section (130) of their scripture is very telling:

Doctrine and Covenants 130

Items of instruction given by Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Ramus, Illinois, April 2, 1843.

www.churchofjesuschrist.org

 

[mourningdove~]

I married my husbannd in a ward building as did my older sister. Mormons view that as not obedient enough to go to the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom where their two highest "Gods" are. You are not worthy to wear "temple garments" which is underwear. Eternal life is earned by obedience to Mormonism. Eternal life as they call it means you and your worthy spouse will be exalted to godhood. Those who do not earn exaltation will have immortality only and eventually go to a lower kingdom. Three kingdoms are Celestial, Terrestrial, and Telestial.
The Mormon woman's children if obedient enough can have temple marriages and become Gods. They will be sealed to worthy parents. It's a very complex religion.

Very interesting. Thank you. I have some long-time acquaintances ... their situation is like I described. The husband is not Mormon but the whole rest of his family is. The children had temple weddings. Would the non-Mormon father been allowed in the temple to witness the weddings?

Also, in a mixed marriage, the Mormon wife goes to a lower kingdom. But what happens to her non-Mormon husband, according to Mormonism? Does he go along with her there, or what?

I would imagine mixed marriages are difficult when one is a committed Mormon and the other is not Mormon at all. (Does Mormonism see mixed marriages as 'shameful' or as an 'embarrassment'?)

 

[Rescued One]

Very interesting. Thank you. I have some long-time acquaintances ... their situation is like I described. The husband is not Mormon but the whole rest of his family is. The children had temple weddings. Would the non-Mormon father been allowed in the temple to witness the weddings?

Also, in a mixed marriage, the Mormon wife goes to a lower kingdom. But what happens to her non-Mormon husband, according to Mormonism? Does he go along with her there, or what?

I would imagine mixed marriages are difficult when one is a committed Mormon and the other is not Mormon at all. (Does Mormonism see mixed marriages as 'shameful' or as an 'embarrassment'?)

I haven't verified this info: During the Millenium the wife will have an opportunity to marry a worthy Mormon. She may very well become a polygamous wife. This type of info is what I've heard but haven't found in writing. However, worthy people who desire better circumstances will be judged (at the Judgment) by their thoughts and desires.

The most disgusting information was revealed by Prophet Joseph F. Smth in 1914. It was reprinted in the 1972 Home Evening Manual which I own. Look it up at UTLM where you will find the illustration along with the information. Mormons are non-Trinitarian. Every god has a resurrected body with the same body parts he had on earth.

Temple Mormons are sworn to secrecy. They won't reveal the secrets unless they become apostates. Their non-Mormon relatives or unworthy Mormons, cannot attend their weddings.

 

[Rescued One]

Mixed marriages as in worthy Mormon to non-Mormon or non-worthy Mormon are highly discouraged. I'll post about that later. I may have done it on the forum already.

 

[mourningdove~]

Mixed marriages as in worthy Mormon to non-Mormon or non-worthy Mormon are highly discouaged. I'll post about that later. I may have done it on the forum already.

I'd appreciate knowing more, when you get a chance.

(You can post a link here to it, if you've done the work before. )

The one Mormon family I knew well was solidly Mormon. The other was the 'mixed marriage' kind of thing. Having observed how the solid family functioned, I've often wondered how the 'mixed' one has stayed together all these years, if Mormonism puts alot of importance on spouses being 'equally yoked'. I suppose it is love, but I would expect that a Mormon wife with a non-Mormon husband might feel pretty sad and lonely at times, and vice versa, because they don't share the same faith.

... I suppose not unlike in Christianity, when one spouse is a committed Christian and the other is not.

 

[Rescued One]

I'd appreciate knowing more, when you get a chance.

(You can post a link here to it, if you've done the work before. )

The one Mormon family I knew well was solidly Mormon. The other was the 'mixed marriage' kind of thing. Having observed how the solid family functioned, I've often wondered how the 'mixed' one has stayed together all these years, if Mormonism puts alot of importance on spouses being 'equally yoked'. I suppose it is love, but I would expect that a Mormon wife with a non-Mormon husband might feel pretty sad and lonely at times, and vice versa, because they don't share the same faith.

... I suppose not unlike in Christianity, when one spouse is a committed Christian and the other is not.

All marriages are different, Mormon or non-Mormon. So it may depend on the wife's upbringing. If she's a convert she might be hoping God will convince him to convert to Mormonism. I at first liked the Mormon emphasis on family life, then realized that 100% Mormons weren't 100% faithful. My mother had 3 failed marriages; I wanted to never divorce. But I didn't like the Mormon scriptures. I was urged to be baptized before I could read them! I met my future husband at church and he "converted" but wasn't a die-hard Mormon. We were never divorced. When I started reading my Bible and prayed to the true God, telling Him that I didn't know Who He is, my eyes were opened!

Now I'm going to look for the information I promised you.

 

[Rescued One]

. . .

Now I'm going to look for the information I promised you.

WARN teens about dating Mormons!

SORROW IN RESURRECTION IF NO ETERNAL MARRIAGE. These young people who seem to be so happy now, when they rise in the resurrection---and find themselves in the condition in which they find themselves---then there will be weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth, and bitterness of soul; and...

www.christianforums.com

Mormons are extremely concerned about winning converts and keeping members. They are going to bend over backwards to acheive this. They advise but don't pressure members if already married to go to the temple, but they urge temple mariage in classes to young people. Devout Mormons teach their children to marry in the temple so families can be together as families and married couples forever.

Deciding to leave Mormonism is strongly frowned upon. The bishop wants to meet with you. I said, "No." My bishop got very angry with me. When I left way back then, they were required to excommunicate members. They sent 2 men to our house and asked me to write a letter requesting that my name be removed. My husband and I both sent letters. We then recieved form letters of excommunication urging us to repent and instructing us of our restrictions if we attended meetings. REPENT?!

 

[Rescued One]

A non-Mormon spouse if he's a Christian will go to the Terrestrial Kingdom after resurrection. If he's wicked he will go to a temporary hell and then be sent to the Telestial Kingdom. Initially non-Mormons go to a spirit world and are taught Mormonism. Good Mormons go to Paradise in the spirit world until the resurrection. There are exceptions: some resurrections are said to have already taken place; Angel Moroni, Peter and James are resurrected. Judgment comes right before a resurrection. The righteous will be resurrected first.

I married my husband when I was almost 23. Newly baptized members have to wait a year to get a temple recommend; time to prove himself/herself worthy. He had only recently been baptized.

 

[mourningdove~]

A non-Mormon spouse if he's a Christian will go to the Terrestrial Kingdom after resurrection. If he's wicked he will go to a temporary hell and then be sent to the Telestial Kingdom. Initially non-Mormons go to a spirit world and are taught Mormonism. Good Mormons go to Paradise in the spirit world until the resurrection. There are exceptions: some resurrections are said to have already taken place; Angel Moroni, Peter and James are resurrected. Judgment comes right before a resurrection. The righteous will be resurrected first.

I married my husband when I was almost 23. Newly baptized members have to wait a year to get a temple recommend; time to prove himself/herself worthy. He had only recently been baptized.

Thank you so much for sharing 'how it works' in Mormonism.
I've had these questions, but never felt I could comfortably ask my Mormon friends.

It really is a sad thing, how deceived the followers of Mormonism are.
You have been so blessed, to have been rescued out of it.

 

[Rescued One]

I understand a reluctance to ask your Mormon friends. They don't readily share much. If they've been married ot sealed for eternity in the temple, they made vows to not reveal any temple vows they made. I didn't want to plan on being sealed to my husband because I was suspicious of the secrecy. In one of our wards a convert couple went when they became eligible/worthy and afterwards they NEVER returned to the Mormon church again! I met the non-Mormon parents of a friend who was looking into Mormonism. I had convinced her to become a member. She married in the temple. Her husband molested their children. I cried when I met her parents and apologized for my misguided influence on their daughter. After her divorce, I praise God that she left Mormonism and found a good Christian church.

 

[Rescued One]

Thank you so much for sharing 'how it works' in Mormonism.
I've had these questions, but never felt I could comfortably ask my Mormon friends.

It really is a sad thing, how deceived the followers of Mormonism are.
You have been so blessed, to have been rescued out of it.

I give credit to God for the influences/seeds planted in my life. At age four, I was taught to pray by a Lutheran. My brother wasn't talking yet. My older sister didn't want to learn. At age nine my mother was engaged or dating my first stepfather. She gave me and my older sister Bibles. I think my stepfather suggested it. I liked books and asked him if I should read it. He said, "Yes, it's the word of God." My sister didn't look at hers. She had no curiosity. A few years later, one of us opened the box and saw mildew inside. I don't know if she kept her Bible.
While my mother was married to Mike he bought us Egermeier's Bible Story Book. Mike suggested that the 3 of us be sent to Sunday School but after their divorce we never went. And my mother never gave Bibles to her younger children.

 

[mourningdove~]

I give credit to God for the influences/seeds planted in my life. At age four, I was taught to pray by a Lutheran. My brother wasn't talking yet. My older sister didn't want to learn. At age nine my mother was engaged or dating my first stepfather. She gave me and my older sister Bibles. I think my stepfather suggested it. I liked books and asked him if I should read it. He said, "Yes, it's the word of God." My sister didn't look at hers. She had no curiosity. A few years later, one of us opened the box and saw mildew inside. I don't know if she kept her Bible.
While my mother was married to Mike he bought us Egermeier's Bible Story Book. Mike suggested that the 3 of us be sent to Sunday School but after their divorce we never went. And my mother never gave Bibles to her younger children.

Hearing about your childhood, it's undeniable how the Lord was working in it, to bring you to faith in Him.
He really is a Great God.

 

[Rescued One]

In Mormonism, Jesus and Jehovah are the same person. Elohim is the name of the "heavenly father."
This is part of the secret temple endowment ceremony:

ELOHIM: Jehovah, Michael, is man found upon the earth?

JEHOVAH : Man is not found on the earth, Elohim.

ELOHIM: Jehovah, Michael, the[n] let us go down and form man in our own likeness and in our own image, male and female, and put into them their spirits, and let us give them dominion over all things on the face of the earth. We will plant for them a garden, eastward in Eden, and place them in it to tend and cultivate it, that they may be happy, and have joy therein. We will command them to multiply and replenish the earth, that they may have joy in their prosperity. We will place before them the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and we will allow Lucifer, our common enemy, whom we have thrust out to tempt them, and to try them, that they may know by their own experience the good from the evil. If they yield to temptation we will give unto them The Law of Sacrifice, and we will provide a savior for them, as we counseled in the beginning, that they may be brought forth by the power of the redemption and the resurrection, and come again into our presence, and with us partake of Eternal Life and exultation. We will call this the sixth day, and we will rest from our labors for a season. Come, let us go down.

JEHOVAH: We will go down, Elohim.

The Mormon Temple Endowment Ceremony

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[Rescued One]

Michael is Mormon Adam before Garden of Eden.

 

[mourningdove~]

In Mormonism, Jesus and Jehovah are the same person. Elohim is the name of the "heavenly father."

Can I ask you another question?

Mormons profess to be Christians. So, what do Mormons think about 'non-Mormon' Christians? Like, what do they believe is the eternal destiny of Protestant Christians ... like the Southern Baptists, Evangelical Christians, etc? Where do Mormons believe 'non-Mormon' Christians are going after they die?

 

[Rescued One]

1. After we have been resurrected and judged, each of us will dwell in one of three kingdoms of glory.

“Each of you will be judged according to your individual works and the desires of your hearts. . . . Your eventual placement in the celestial, terrestrial, or telestial kingdom will not be determined by chance. The Lord has prescribed unchanging requirements for each. You can know what the scriptures teach and pattern your lives accordingly” (in Conference Report, Oct. 1993, 48; or Ensign, Nov. 1993, 35)"

NOTE: Not all Mormons will meet the requirements for the CK. Zero non-Mormons will.

Hell, or spirit prison, is a place for people who have rejected the gospel and people who have died without a knowledge of the gospel. The gospel is preached to them there, and those who accept the gospel and repent of their sins will be released and allowed to enter paradise until the Resurrection and Judgment (see D&C 138:29–34). Most of those who do not accept the gospel there will have to suffer for their own sins but will eventually be resurrected and go to a kingdom of glory (see D&C 76:81–85, 98–106). 6. A great multitude of Heavenly Father’s children will dwell in the CK.

NOTE: The word gospel refers to Mormonism. Christianity is not considered "the gospel."
Our baptisms are not authorised.

WHO WILL INHERIT TELESTIAL GLORY? (D&C 76:81–83, 98–103)
a. Those who reject the gospel. (D&C 76:82, 101).
b. Those who reject the testimony of Jesus. (D&C 76:82-83, 101).
c. Are liars, sorcerers, adulterers, and whoremongers.(D&C 76:103).

WHO WILL INHERIT TERRESTRIAL GLORY? (D&C 76:71–80)
Those who
a. Reject the gospel in this life but receive it in the spirit world (D&C 76:71–74).
b. Are honorable but are blinded by the craftiness of men (D&C 76:75).
c. Are not valiant in the testimony of Jesus (D&C 76:79).

All our creeds are an abomination, and Mormons reject the TRINITY. Christians are considered not valiant in the testimony of Jesus.

Most info above is from:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/content/shared/content/english/pdf/31384_PreparingforExaltation/pfe-2010-09-the-three-kingdoms-of-glory-eng.pdf

The Mormon "heavenly father" never visits the two lower kingdoms.