Do you want to go to heaven???????????????

dennis1777 · Jan 6, 2013

Isn't heaven simply deep intimacy with the heart of God. I know I am new but that is how I understand it. And we build our relationship with him here and now. The Gospels are like love letters from God to draw us to Him it almost makes me weep that some people don't see it this way. Sorry.

dennis1777 · Jan 6, 2013

Sorry it looks like I killed this thread.

toastface_grillah · Jan 6, 2013

Don't worry 'bout it; this thread's got another seven or eight lives to it.

MacFall · Jan 6, 2013

Squeakers said:
Where in the bible does it say there are 3 heavens...?

It does, but the use of numbers are symbolic (the Hebrews did that a lot).

And I guess technically earth could be heaven...'any place of complete bliss/delight/peace'. I find the mountains where I live to be delightful and peaceful...so I guess I'm already in heaven.

This is where people need to figure out what context you're using a word in since a lot of words have different meanings.

One understanding of heaven common in orthodox and classical theologies is that it is not really a physical place; it is a spiritual condition. Furthermore it is not subject to the constraints of time. To say that God is eternal is to say that he always exists in all moments of time; not merely that he exists on an infinite timeline going in both directions.

Jesus Christ was "in heaven" during his life on earth. That is, he had unlimited and uninhibited access to the father. Because that communion is an eternal moment, then in the moment at which God turned His back on him on the cross he suffered, in a very literal sense, eternal separation from God the Father, taking on the punishment for sin for all eternity.

We now have a similar access to God that Christ Himself had. That is, we have access to heaven, now, wherever we are, and whenever we need it. But because we still live in imperfect flesh it will not be uninhibited in the same way that Christ's heavenly existence was. For us, that will come when our spirit leaves our fleshly container. But the point is not that we will "go to heaven". We will be given new bodies, untainted by sin, from which we can live in God's New Creation while at the same time having the same unlimited, uninhibited access to the Father that Jesus Christ himself has.

So yes, in a very real sense, your mountains may be heaven. When your flesh is quiet and you are at peace, in communion with God the Father - that's heaven. But we have a purer and greater experience of heaven awaiting us, and that is something to look forward to.

dennis1777 · Jan 6, 2013

toastface_grillah said:
Don't worry 'bout it; this thread's got another seven or eight lives to it.

Thank-you for being kind to me.

dennis1777 · Jan 6, 2013

I honestly apologize if I go off topic. Please do not report me. I know the Father's love for us. And it makes me weep. He even loves sinners. His love has no constraints even in fact He is love. I know this for a fact. His love is tender and everlasting. To know this maks me weep. oh how he loves you I cannot even begin to describe His love for you. The Gospels are like love letters from God. Oh how he loves you. Again I weep. I just wish I could put this in words. But I have a sacred gift. heaven is only this. intimacy with GOD.

greatnews · Jan 7, 2013

dennis1777 said:
I honestly apologize if I go off topic. Please do not report me. I know the Father's love for us. And it makes me weep. He even loves sinners. His love has no constraints even in fact He is love. I know this for a fact. His love is tender and everlasting. To know this maks me weep. oh how he loves you I cannot even begin to describe His love for you. The Gospels are like love letters from God. Oh how he loves you. Again I weep. I just wish I could put this in words. But I have a sacred gift. heaven is only this. intimacy with GOD.

heaven is a actual place, the bible makes that really clear

dennis1777 · Jan 7, 2013

greatnews said:
heaven is a actual place, the bible makes that really clear

Sorry. I meant to say it is more a state of being or consciousness than a place like for instance your dining room.

bocannes · Jan 7, 2013

greatnews said:
it's sad but I haven't had many takers on this thread yet, not any that I know of

Maybe all the question marks in the topic are intimidating people.

Going Merry · Jan 7, 2013

This thread is a demon of threads

Rhamiel · Jan 7, 2013

Going Merry said:
This thread is a demon of threads

this thread is Legion
for it's posts are many

Rhamiel · Jan 7, 2013

dennis1777 said:
Isn't heaven simply deep intimacy with the heart of God. I know I am new but that is how I understand it. And we build our relationship with him here and now. The Gospels are like love letters from God to draw us to Him it almost makes me weep that some people don't see it this way. Sorry.

well said brother

bocannes · Jan 7, 2013

Rhamiel said:
Going Merry said:

This thread is a demon of threads

Click to expand...

this thread is Legion for it's posts are many

Good call. For each question mark in the title, there will be a dozen posts.

Rhamiel · Jan 8, 2013

hmm
should I make a thread called "Do you want to go to purgatory???????????????"

dennis1777 · Jan 8, 2013

Rhamiel said:
hmm
should I make a thread called "Do you want to go to purgatory???????????????"

Only if we get to have ice cream and cookies. Wait wut?

crishmael · Jan 8, 2013

Rhamiel said:
hmm
should I make a thread called "Do you want to go to purgatory???????????????"

Only if you want Protestant flame-o-rama to break out. Though I rather like the idea of a purgatorial state.

Rhamiel · Jan 8, 2013

crishmael said:
Only if you want Protestant flame-o-rama to break out. Though I rather like the idea of a purgatorial state.

purgatorial state....
are we talking about Utah?
LOL yeah flame-o-rama
I was worried about even just posting that lil joke

Going Merry · Jan 8, 2013

you're all hell bound

PunkyChick · Jan 8, 2013

Going Merry said:
you're all hell bound

I refuse to ever go to Florida.

crishmael · Jan 8, 2013

Edit: Figured I should remove that before some humorless person reports me over images again.

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