What is says is this "For he hath said somewhere of the seventh day on this wise, And God rested on the seventh day from all his works;"Show me the verse in the bible that specifically states God created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days.
Show me the verse in the bible that specifically states God created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days.
Show me the verse in the bible that specifically states God created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days.
From your post 325 "Whenever you do say "God created the heavens and Earth in six days" you are actually quoting the Koran which says that."
Your point is dependent on a significant difference between two words that basically mean the same thing here, and the Koran is irrelevant. You have not exposed a translation mistake YECs make, it is a simple matter of interpreting two words which basically mean the same thing as two words which basically mean the same thing.
"In Genesis 1:26 it is recorded that God said: “Let us make (asah) man in Our image, according to Our likeness.” Then we are told in the very next verse that He “created (bara) man in His own image.” How can one assert (logically) that in these two verses “make” and “create” refer to different creations? Near the beginning of the next chapter, we read: “Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created (bara) and made (asah). This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created (bara), in the day that the Lord God made (asah) the earth and the heavens” (Genesis 2:3-4). Clearly, these words are used interchangeably in the creation account and throughout the rest of the Bible when referring to what God did “in the beginning” (cf. Psalm 148:1-5; Nehemiah 9:6; Exodus 20:11; Genesis 1:21,25)."
Did God "Create" or "Make" the World?
Or one can logically conclude that the process of creating man involved both creation and making. For example, the process of creating a car involves creating the various parts of the car and then assembling those parts together. If you totally dismiss the writers use of two different words of two different words you are dismissing the meaning of using two different words.
The two words do not happen to have significantly different meaning.
I guess they don't for you but they always have for me. It is a subtle but important distinction for which people even aside of the scriptural relevance, will pay huge sums of money for. The definition of a creation is something new and imaginative brought into existence. Think of a work of art like the Mona Lisa by Da Vinci. He created the painting and it fetches millions of dollars at an auction. Make a copy of it even by a talented painter in their own right and it is barely worth the oils it is painted with. A creation is unique whereas a copy made is not.
The difference in the usage of the words lies in the meaning of create to mean producing something new or original by using one’s talents, imagination or skill. This is usually in the form of something that would be considered artwork. For example: She created this masterpiece oil painting. Although ‘made’ could be used, it does not convey the same nuance of specialness or newness that ‘create’ does. This usage is the result of the etymology, or where the word came from. It came from the late Middle English and had the sense of forming something out of nothing, especially from a divine or supernatural being. This is in the sense we commonly use the related words ‘creation’ and ‘creature’ meaning things we believe that were brought into existence by God, or ‘created’.
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So the reason I point out the error "God created the heavens and Earth in six days" is because God's own words never said He did. He distinctly said He made the heavens and earth in six days. I personally believe that God is well aware of the difference in the meanings of the words and He used the exact words to fit how He did it and how long it took Him.
Those who do not recognize the difference do so because of their need to put the creation of the heaven and earth of Gen 1:1 into the 6 days spoken of whereas plain reading without presuppositions like YEC, should readily point out that there is a break at Gen 1:2 describing the state of what He has already created as being waste and void.
2 the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness [is] on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters,
Young's Literal translation
Do you really think our Creator creates "waste and void"? That would not be a good description for how I think God would create and probably one of the reasons that in verse 4, he only mentions the light as being good:
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good:
If He had created the heaven and Earth on day one, I think it would be safe to assume He would have called it good too as a part of the total as He does
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.
as the heavens and Earth have at that point had 6 days of being rebuilt from the waste and void state it was in before day one. So that would be the other reason He wouldn't have called the heavens and earth good at the close of Day 1 as He only did work on the Light.
The heavens and Earth pre existing Day 1 is then the reason that God states He made them in 6 days, instead of having created them. It is an important distinction for those trying to harmonize physical evidence and the scriptures.
The heavens and Earth pre existing Day 1 is then the reason that God states He made them in 6 days, instead of having created them. It is an important distinction for those trying to harmonize physical evidence and the scriptures.
Not sure what you are trying to prove with the whole create/made word argument. Perhaps if create only showed up on verse 1 and every other verse throughout scripture said 'made' you might have a point about creation week being 'made' verses being 'created' but it isn't. Other scripture says God created, and even specifically names things that he made during creation week and some use create and made interchangeably.
With absolute resolve.Just curious. I really don't.
Where did Jesus say that? The whole of the Bible says you reap what you soe. I wouldn’t be surprised if 90% of our suffering is our own doing.Well because Jesus love requires us not to insinuate that individual people are simply to blame for their own suffering because they did not ask for something else.
I didn’t say believing the events of Genesis as described are required for healing. Actually one doesn’t have to believe in God or belong to Him to heal or be healed.Not to mention belief in a literal Adam and Eve is certainly not required to receive healing, I know a healer who gets results very frequently, but no specific Bible interpretation is required for the recipients.
Not worth discussing.Okay, but I saw objection, not attack.
I don’t think anyone IS judging another persons soul. We are to discern who knows Him and who doesn’t.Personally I do not believe Christianity is a depth of faith contest, and I am not convinced anyone can judge a persons soul status, except Jesus can.
Where did Jesus say that?
I’ve heard many atheists say evolution gave them a rational reason to deny the existence of God. Atheists know evolution denys God.I agree. However there's a common Christian (mis)understanding that evolution denies God. I think de facto the term theistic evolution is used to indicate a belief in evolution that is consistent with God.
Forgiveness is not offered to just anyone. And He never said we never suffer from our choices. His death doesn’t relieve us of the results of our choices. In fact, we will all stand before God and give an answer as to the choices we made in this life.When He died on a cross, for others, not Himself. He forgives us.
Matthew 22:37-39
Where did Jesus say that? The whole of the Bible says you reap what you soe. I wouldn’t be surprised if 90% of our suffering is our own doing.
I didn’t say believing the events of Genesis as described are required for healing. Actually one doesn’t have to believe in God or belong to Him to heal or be healed.
If one doesn’t believe the words of those who knew Him, one will never understand God. One has rejected that knowledge outright preferring to be honored among man.
I’ve heard many atheists say evolution gave them a rational reason to deny the existence of God. Atheists know evolution denys God.
It’s nevertheless true. If you look into the testimony of atheists who were believers in God before becoming steeped in the teachings of evolutionary biology, they say that. I believe Richard Dawkins says evolution gave him an intellectually satisfying life without God or something similar.Really? I have never heard that in my lifetime.
That verse doesn’t address your position, by the way. Did you mean another?When He died on a cross, for others, not Himself. He forgives us.
Matthew 22:37-39
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