Do you think it's possible...

[Imscared34]

That there may be pieces of evidence found or documents that could totally disprove what the the bible says, but were kept secret because the pandemonium is would cause?

 

[Digit]

That there may be pieces of evidence found or documents that could totally disprove what the the bible says, but were kept secret because the pandemonium is would cause?

I think when asking Christians that question, it is like me asking, "Do you think it possible that we will find evidence there is no oxygen on Earth?"

It's completely possible in regards to if it could actually happen, but it would require that we have made some monumental mistakes in our understanding of the world, and as such, it's highly improbable.

Hope that helps!

Cheers!
Digit

 

[pdudgeon]

That there may be pieces of evidence found or documents that could totally disprove what the the bible says, but were kept secret because the pandemonium is would cause?

in real life? no i don't think so.

If there was ever a time to disprove what the bible said was true,especially the New Testament, it would have happened before it was written when contrary evidence would have been easily available.

Remember even in a Jewish court of law there had to be two eye witnesses for every accusation. But when Jesus Himself was on trial those two witnesses could not be produced. if there was ever a time when the New Testament could have been proven false, that was the time.

But when Jesus did the miracles there were many more than two people who could attest to them, and He did all of them openly and not in secret.

 

[RevCowboy]

That there may be pieces of evidence found or documents that could totally disprove what the the bible says, but were kept secret because the pandemonium is would cause?

Putting my faith aside for a moment (if that's even possible), from a purely historical perspective, and I do have a BA in History and Theology from a very well regarded secular university, the answer is no. Such secrets are too hard to keep, as in someone would have elected to make millions by now by writing the tell all book. And surprise, surprise they have. And unsurprisingly not a single reputable historian or theologian uses these books as text book for their classrooms. As has been said before, there is more historical evidence for Jesus than there is for Socrates, Plato, Julius Caesar and host of other historical figures that no one questions the existence of.

 

[seashale76]

That there may be pieces of evidence found or documents that could totally disprove what the the bible says, but were kept secret because the pandemonium is would cause?

No. Because enough people want such a thing so badly that if it really did exist, there would be no stopping such information from coming to light.

 

[Stinker]

Do you think it's possible...

That there may be pieces of evidence found or documents that could totally disprove what the the bible says, but were kept secret because the pandemonium is would cause?

If there was a secret kept by Bible scholars, I think it is that of Acts chapter 15. In it James (Jesus' brother, also as James the Just) and the Apostles show Paul to be a novice. However, to read Paul's version of this encounter with them in Jerusalem, he tells them like it is. (Galatians chapter 2) When scholars examine their Jesus, He is more like the Teacher of Righteousness that is described in the later writings of the Dead Sea Scrolls. If they are correct:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_Tomb_of_Jesus Then these are the bones of Jesus and His wife Mary M., and their son. Also Jesus' brothers.

If Paul is correct: http://www.shroudforum.com/ Then there are no bones of His on earth.

 

[capnator]

That there may be pieces of evidence found or documents that could totally disprove what the the bible says, but were kept secret because the pandemonium is would cause?

The preeminence of the bible above every other book ever written is undistputible in my opinion!

More copies of the bible have been printed than any other book.
It has been read by more people than any other book.
It has been attacked more than any other book.
It has changed more lives than any other book.
It has given hope to countless millions.
It has been more talked about than any other book.
It is a book of power and will never be disproved, you should read it.

 

[tapero]

That there may be pieces of evidence found or documents that could totally disprove what the the bible says, but were kept secret because the pandemonium is would cause?

Hi, not sure how a pandemonium would arise if someone's faith is in Jesus.

But to note; it is rather more likely that things which are found that would support biblical instances that these would be kept from society, rather than the reverse.

All depends on who comes into knowledge of such and who owns such.

But no, people say things already about the bible and have been for a long time, and does not cause pandemonion, and again our faith is in Jesus, which once in Jesus no one can snatch us from the Fathers hand.

 

[prgallo]

No it's not possible. What is possible is that people will claim that documents exist that prove that Jesus never existed, that the Bible is not true etc...

This has been happening for centuries already. What also keeps happeing is the claim of "new evidence" when it's the same rehashed information.

A good is example is the claim about the missing books from the Bible. They aren't missing, never were missing and never were part of the Bible.

 

[ebia]

That there may be pieces of evidence found or documents that could totally disprove what the the bible says, but were kept secret because the pandemonium is would cause?

No. Whoever could produce such evidence would make a fortune - just look at the multi-million dollar industry that revolves around rehashing the same old, tired, non-evidence.

I'm also not at all sure what such evidence would look like anyway. It's a bit like asking "Do you think it's possible...
That there may be pieces of evidence found or documents that could totally disprove the earth being round, but were kept secret because the pandemonium is would cause?"

 

[Canuckmom]

That there may be pieces of evidence found or documents that could totally disprove what the the bible says, but were kept secret because the pandemonium is would cause?

No it is impossible!
King David wrote these word under inspiration 3000 years ago, and it is still true today.
Ps. 12:6,7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace....Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, Thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

 

[Bible2]

Imscared34 said in post #1:
Do you think it's possible...
That there may be pieces of evidence found or
documents that could totally disprove what the the
bible says, but were kept secret because the
pandemonium is would cause?

In the future, "evidence" will be produced that will
be employed to "disprove" much of what the Bible
says in the minds of most people, for the whole
world will be convinced to completely reject the God
of the Old Testament, YHWH, as an evil impostor, and
to instead worship the dragon Lucifer and his human
"Son" (commonly known by Christians today as "the
beast" or "the Antichrist") as the true God:

"And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto
the beast: and they worshipped the beast ... And all
that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose
names are not written in the book of life"
(Revelation 13:4,8).

This "beast" or Antichrist will have a False Prophet
who, by the power of Lucifer (Satan), will be able to
perform amazing "miracles" as "proof" that Lucifer
and the Antichrist are God:

"And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire
come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of
men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by
the means of those miracles which he had power to do"
(Revelation 13:13-14).

This fire from heaven will serve for almost everyone
as the ultimate, convincing "evidence" that Lucifer
and the Antichrist must be the true God and YHWH an
impostor, just as in the time of Elijah the fire he
called down from heaven served for almost everyone
in Israel as the ultimate, convincing evidence that
YHWH must be the true God and Baal an impostor:

"Then the fire of the LORD [YHWH] fell ... And when
all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and
they said, The LORD [YHWH], he is the God; the LORD
[YHWH], he is the God" (1 Kings 18:38-39).

We may live to see almost all the people in the
world falling on their faces and saying: "Lucifer,
he is the God; Lucifer, he is the God".

The world will have failed the test that YHWH said
would come:

"If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of
dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the
sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake
unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which
thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou
shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or
that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD [YHWH] your God
proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD [YHWH]
your God with all your heart and with all your soul"
(Deuteronomy 13:1-3).

Jesus similarly foretold that miracle-working
deceivers will come:

"For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and
shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were
possible, even the elect" (Mark 13:22).

"The false prophet that wrought miracles ... with
which he deceived them that had received the mark of
the beast" (Revelation 19:20).

So true Christians will have to reject "miracles" as
being any ultimate "evidence" or "proof" of the truth
of those things preached by a miracle-worker, for
Satan himself has the power to work miracles, and
will do so for the Antichrist:

"Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan
with all power and signs and lying wonders"
(2 Thessalonians 2:9).

---

Besides miracles, what other "evidence" could Satan
employ in his deceiving of the world?

He could have archaeological artifacts, whether
objects or documents, "discovered", but which in fact
are forgeries. For example, he could have someone
"find" a tomb containing bones dating to the first
century and inscribed with the words "Jesus of
Nazareth, son of Mary and Joseph", and present this
as "proof" that Jesus was never resurrected. He could
marshal all the most "renowned scholars" to
"validate" that the inscription is "from the first
century" and that the bones perfectly match a man in
his early thirties and are in fact from the first
century.

Of course, the inscription could still in fact be a
forgery made to look like it was done in the first
century, and it could have been placed on a
previously-unmarked tomb containing the bones of some
unknown first-century male who died in his early
thirties, which bones, in fact, served as the
inspiration for some "renowned scholar" to attempt to
make himself eternally famous by being the one to
"discover" the "dirt-hidden inscription", which is
in fact his own forgery; for a most "renowned
scholar" can also secretly be a most clever forger,
knowing in detail all the tests that his forgery will
have to pass before it will be declared as real.

This has been shown to be the case in the past in,
for example, art forgeries, where the forger, because
of his reputation as a "renowned scholar" of art, has
even been asked to validate his own forgery, and, lo
and behold, he finds it to be real, as do his
unwitting fellow "renowned scholars" because of his
work of genius.

So true Christians will have to reject "renowned
scholars" as being any ultimate "evidence" or "proof"
of the validity of any "archaeological" object or
document.

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But then someone could ask, "How can you be so
willing to reject out of hand any possible
archaeological object or document against the Bible
as a forgery, or, for that matter, reject out of hand
any possible miracle performed by someone who
contradicts the Bible as being performed by the power
of Satan? What evidence does the Bible offer that
is any more believable than an archaeological object
or document validated by the most renowned scholars,
or an amazing miracle witnessed with your own eyes?"

For true Christians, the evidence that the Bible is
true is faith itself:

"Faith is ... the evidence" (Hebrews 11:1).

For true faith is not arrived at by any intellectual
cogitations or sensory wonderment; it can only be
received as a gift from God to those He chooses:

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that
not of yourselves: it is the gift of God"
(Ephesians 2:8).

"Therefore said I [Jesus] unto you, that no man can
come unto me, except it were given unto him of my
Father" (John 6:65); "No man can come to me, except
the Father which hath sent me draw him" (John 6:44).

"As many as were ordained to eternal life believed"
(Acts 13:48).

And this faith is received by one's reading, or
hearing, the Bible:

"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the
word of God" (Romans 10:17).

For those people who aren't chosen by God to receive
His gift of faith when they read the Bible, there is
nothing that anyone can say to them or show them that
will make them believe that what the Bible says is
true:

"If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither
will they be persuaded, though one rose from the
dead" (Luke 16:31).

And the reverse is also true: If people do truly
believe the Bible by God's gift of faith, then
nothing can persuade them to reject it as false,
even if they witness a miracle such as someone like
the Antichrist rising from the dead proclaiming that
Lucifer is God, or even if they are presented with
"scholar-verified facts" concerning some purported
archaeological object or document which contradicts
the Bible. Nothing can shake their faith.

That is, nothing but at least one thing: sin. For if
they have true faith, but are at the same time in
unrepentant sin, then they could be deceived by some
purported "evidence" contradicting the Bible, for
they will have the "deceivableness of
unrighteousness" (2 Thessalonians 2:10).

"A wicked doer giveth heed to false lips" (Proverbs
17:4).

This is why Jesus said that believing in His Word the
Bible isn't enough; one must also obey it if one
wants to avoid spiritual disaster:

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth
the will of my Father which is in heaven ...
Every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and
doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man,
which built his house upon the sand: And the rain
descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was
the fall of it" (Matthew 7:21,26-27).

It's a sad fact that Christians with true faith can
be deceived into abandoning it because of their
unrepentant sinfulness:

"The Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter
times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed
to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience
seared with a hot iron" (1 Timothy 4:1-2).

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of
season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all
longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come
when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after
their own lusts shall they heap to themselves
teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn
away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned
unto fables" (2 Timothy 4:2-4).

RevCowboy said in post #4:
... there is more historical evidence for Jesus than
there is for Socrates

The coming deceptions could be far more subtle than
denying the historical existence of Jesus. Instead,
they could present "evidence" that "only certain
claims regarding him were fabricated by overzealous
followers deceived by YHWH, such as that Jesus
himself was the Christ, and that He died on the
cross for our sins and rose from the dead on the
third day".

Of course, these are the most important claims of
all, ones which Satan and the Antichrist will work
the hardest to "prove" wrong:

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the
Christ? He is antichrist" (1 John 2:22).

The Antichrist could teach that Jesus Himself wasn't
the Christ, but was merely an ordinary man who was
temporarily indwelt by the divine Spirit of Christ
like a glass being temporarily filled with wine. In
this way he could claim that the divine Spirit of
Christ Himself never became flesh:

"Every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ
is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that
spirit of antichrist" (1 John 4:3).

He could claim that now, the divine Spirit of Christ
has returned from heaven to fill him, the Antichrist,
and to be worshipped and served through him. Then
he could take the next step and "prove" that Lucifer
is the the divine Spirit of Christ, for Lucifer is
the morning star (both the Engligh word "Lucifer" and
the original Hebrew word "Heylel" mean "morning
star") and Christ is the morning star:

"The bright and morning star" (Revelation 22:16).

"O Lucifer, son of the morning!" (Isaiah 14:12).

The truth is that Lucifer fell from his office of
morning star and became Satan; Jesus then took over
the office of morning star:

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer" (Isaiah
14:12).

"I [Jesus] beheld Satan as lightning fall from
heaven" (Luke 10:18).

"I Jesus ... I am ... the bright and morning star"
(Revelation 22:16).

But once Satan and the Antichrist have replaced Jesus
as the Christ in the minds of most people, they will
then replace His Gospel of dying on the cross for our
sins and rising from the dead on the third day with
their own "gospel":

"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that
called you into the grace of Christ unto another
gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that
trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any
other gospel unto you than that which we have
preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said
before, so say I now again, If any man preach any
other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let
him be accursed" (Galatians 1:6-9).

"Brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I
preached unto you, which also ye have received, and
wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye
keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye
have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first
of all that which I also received, how that Christ
died for our sins according to the scriptures; And
that he was buried, and that he rose again the third
day according to the scriptures" (1 Corinthians
15:1-4).

"And [Jesus] said unto them, Thus it is written, and
thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from
the dead the third day: And that repentance and
remission of sins should be preached in his name
among all nations" (Luke 24:46-47).

"But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent
beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds
should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in
Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another
Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive
another spirit, which ye have not received, or
another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might
well bear with him ... For such are false apostles,
deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the
apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself
is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it
is no great thing if his ministers also be
transformed as the ministers of righteousness"
(2 Corinthians 11:3-4,13-15).

 

[seekHisMercy]

Do you think it's possible...

That there may be pieces of evidence found or documents that could totally disprove what the the bible says, but were kept secret because the pandemonium is would cause?

Good question and I say ANYTHING is possible. However I have felt that, this is God's book, Hes the author. If He didn't want it then it wouldn't be. More important than withheld scripture is the fact that new documents and evidence continue to show up to reinforce the scriptures as they were written. I have pointed out to atheist that no one ever disputed the acts of Jesus during his time, they disputed his lineage to David that would make him the messiah.

IF I were God and wanted to leave an instruction manual for my children for the purpose of their salvation and redemption, then perhaps as the Lord I'd make is so. And I'd make it exactly as I intended it to be. The idea of God vs man is sort of humorous, not that I am laughing at the Op of this thread. But if God wanted Jesus to be married and have children then I fail to see what withholding that information would cause in men, as it would be the picture God wants for men in the first place.

There are various translations and additions, some subtractions, and revisions and add ons that blow my mind. But known proven text is the word of our Father.

 

[Lukaris]

Personally I do not believe it is possible, but from the Christian side examine what it took Christians to preserve the scriptures & faith they regarded as holy in a hostile environment in the 2nd century. This involved state oppression & rival heresies (realize that some Christian authorities abused others later but keep to this time period). If you have the time try reading the writings of St Irenaeus bishop of Lyons France (ca 180 AD). http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/irenaeus.html

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

That there may be pieces of evidence found or documents that could totally disprove what the the bible says, but were kept secret because the pandemonium is would cause?

How do you prove or disprove something of this nature? All you can do is offer a conflicting account. It would be up to the credibility of the writer.

There are numerous writings over the last 2000 years that argue against Christianity and present heresies.

 

[ydouxist]

That there may be pieces of evidence found or documents that could totally disprove what the the bible says, but were kept secret because the pandemonium is would cause?

No.
There are pieces of evidence continually being discovered that support it.

 

[ydouxist]

There are numerous writings over the last 2000 years that argue against Christianity and present heresies.

Really??
Would you care to share them?

 

[HephzibahBenJudah]

That there may be pieces of evidence found or documents that could totally disprove what the the bible says, but were kept secret because the pandemonium is would cause?

Which documents??

 

[Gareth]

That there may be pieces of evidence found or documents that could totally disprove what the the bible says, but were kept secret because the pandemonium is would cause?

Do you remember the excitement that went round on the discovery of "The Book Of Judas"? Some said "proof at last!" to undermine the Bible, making out Jesus to be something that the Gospel accounts clearly show he wasn't. Then people looked closer and found it wasn't written by the Judas they had in mind and it was written in the 2nd Century when Christians were not liked very much.

These kinds of things come up from time to time, it's nothing new. And yet the Bible still exists, is read and brings joy to millions of people. Until I had mentioned it did anyone remember The Book Of Judas, let alone read it? Thought so.

 

[Sri]

no, out of all the people in this world if it existed they would find a way to get their hands on it and cause a rucus. That is just natural. Me a studier of logic and lover of facts. I have a lot of archeological evidences for the bible, without still many reasons to believe.