Do you have to keep confessing sin through out your life to be saved? (See 1 John 1:9)

CodyFaith said:

Verses...hmmm...

Sealed with the Spirit, believe will never come into condemnation, have everlasting life.... etc etc.

Basic stuff man. Bassssiiicc.

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Yes....basically false.

Oscarr said:

The only way you can know you are saved is when you get the witness in your spirit that you are genuinely converted to Christ. The Scripture says that our spirit witnesses with the Holy Spirit that we are the children of God. I believe that this comes when we have been transformed by the Holy Spirit. I don't believe it comes just when a person decides to accept Christ. It comes when Christ accepts him - and the evidence of that is a total transformation from sin to holiness, from Satan to Christ, and from the world to the kingdom of God, along with the inner witness of the Spirit witnessing with our spirit that we are now born again and are children of God.

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I think from the get go, after accepting Christ/repenting of sin, we are saved. If we hang on/strive to improve or truly do something even close to the best we can, we remain saved. If we let the world get a hold of us again, lose faith, go back to the old ways without repentance, there is a point there where we give up salvation, and God will know when that is, and most likely, if we don't go into denial, so will we. No saved one day, unsaved the next like some like to make fun of around here, as a means to try to do away with our being able to lose salvation...I doubt God will call that on again off again, sincere effort.

I've always seen it's just that simple. There are those who will do their best to complicate that, but that's all they are doing, trying to confuse themselves and others into believing we can have it both ways.

Take our earthly dad for instance, we are good like he expects, we truly try, even if we mess up a little, he is more than happy to forgive, he smiles, shakes his head and says "don't worry about it" because he knows we care/try, and because of that he's always happy to help us prosper.

On the other hand if we don't care, keep getting in trouble, not longer care, he tends to not only punish to get our attention but there is a point there after we get so bad, he wants nothing to do with us, and it's out the door.

No good/caring dad is going to put up with too much evil, nor is our God...same exact thing.

Just like a good dad, God is good, but he is also just, and he would not be doing anyone any good to continue treating a son like gold if he acted like the devil. If he boots the bad son, there is at least a chance he will straighten up, if he continues to treat him well in spite of his horrible actions, the son has no reason to be good, and he continues to head for destruction.

Then the argument moves to "that's the difference between God and Man, God is forgiving" but that's just not the case after he has to put up with so much from us. He would simply not be a good God if he allowed us to go on in sin. But they will try that, as means to confuse.

Now, as in the Prodigal son, God will allow repentance and return to his good graces, (7x70) but he's not a fool, gotta try to be good, nothing in between.

Do our sincere best, and we probably don/t even have to do that, but something close, and we'll be fine. Pretty easy, at least in principle.

Neogaia777 said:

With his drawing me so strongly, how can I know if it's really me choosing Him or not...? Maybe that's what I'm fighting IDK...? I could lose myself maybe, and maybe I fear that, the kind of thoughts it gives me pertaining to losing yourself completely... Not knowing fully and completely what I would be surrendering myself to, that kind of thing...

Thank You Very Much!

God Bless!

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Hi friend, I was looking to find you somewhere, so I could share this song with you, and this is where I found you, my fond friend, and John 15 NIV

bcbsr said:

Moses describes in this way the righteousness that is by the law: "The man who does these things will live by them." (Performance based Salvation) But the righteousness that is by faith says: "Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’" (that is, to bring Christ down) "or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’" (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. (Salvation by faith apart from works)

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ah, just like this song just above, in post 143. Enjoy!

Halbhh said:

Hi friend, I was looking to find you somewhere, so I could share this song with you, and this is where I found you, my fond friend, and John 15 NIV

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Thank You Very Very Much, I really like her...

God Bless You!

Jason0047 said:

Do you have to keep confessing sin through out your life to be saved?

I believe based on the Bible that the answer to this question would be a resounding.... "Yes."
This is based primarily upon 1 John 1:9
(But we can see it expressed in other verses in the Bible).

What do you say?
And can you support your belief on this with the Bible?
If so, then please provide the verses.

Thank you.

Oh, and also please vote in the poll, too.

Thank you.

And may God bless you all this fine day.

Side Note:

The poll options only allow me to say so much.
I wish I could add more words to the poll options but I cannot.
Anyways, it is implied that if you confess sin, it is also required that you have:

(a) A belief in Jesus and
(b) To confess those sins to Jesus.
(b) A Godly sorrow as a part of confessing sins.​

If you disagree, then vote in the option that says, "Yes (Other, - please explain)"
If you voted wrong or if you feel you have changed your mind on this topic at some point, you are free to change your vote in the poll. Thank you; And may God bless you.

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When we walk as free men because of what Jesus did for all of us, we are placed under a duty of care obligation to walk the straight and narrow path. This path involves being vigilant in faith and always confessing your sins to Jesus as present yourself daily at the feet of his Cross having a broken and contrite heart.

Why a broken and a contrite heart one might say?

Because then you become receptive to the exhortation of God and the teachings of the Holy Spirit to be your guiding lamp post throughout any challenges, obstacles and adversities that you might face in your daily walks with God.

The more you mature in faith, the more your smallest of sins are magnified a hundredfold and this gradual process is purging you of the old self and bringing you into the fullness of Christ Jesus, so that you are being moulded to conform to all his eight beatitudes and thereby live Holy lives pleasing to God (Romans 12:1).

You are the Living Stones within the Temple of God and your Daily Sacrifice is to offer yourself to God as vessels that can be worked on by the Holy Spirit and this is your true worship.

Faith is dynamic and not static and requires a believer to always be in a surrendering mode and not allow pride to get in the way of the change that the Holy Spirit is manifesting in you across your entire lifetime.

bcbsr said:

Continuing to call sin for what it is is not a condition for salvation but rather a characteristic of those who have been saved. 1John 1:9 doesn't speak of confessing as an event. It's not in the aorist tense but in the present tense speaking of a lifestyle. The major theme of 1John is identifying those who have been born of God and distinguishing them from false Christians as diagnosed from their lifestyle, that which they typically do. Those who have been born of God typically call sin for what it is. These are they who sins have been forgiven and who are being cleansed from all unrighteousness.

In contrast many a salvation by works Christian thinks that one loses salvation each time you sin and you gain it back by confessing sin - And thus a revolved door scenario for salvation.

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Very well put.

I will say this. I am His and Born again. I have gone through long periods where I have allowed depression anger and resentment to take over, but even in all of this my spirit would always long for the Way. I would not call any of this a disorder or a chemical imbalance, but simply my responsibility and sin.
I have never stopped being His or lost my salvation. I never wanted to justify these as Okay or be alright with saying to myself or others that since it is already paid for it is okay and I don't need to be concerned or fight in faith. I know the truth and that His power sets free and gives a victorious life. I let roots of things inside little by little and it caused much harm and loss for many many days, many of them i did not even pray or seek forgiveness but just struggled to survive the weight of it all, yet here I am and in His time and strength He has brought me to seek Him.
God would always have whispers here and there, messages close and far, but I did not hear Him the same as I once did, they were heard quieter and less frequent because I got in the way more. One thing He always told me that apparently I needed to learn more, (this is My walk with Him and may not be what everyone else's is), is that even when I repeatedly fell into a sin 7 x's or 70 x's I would here Him say I Love you and have already forgiven you for that and paid for that. I knew it before you would do it and still brought you too me and paid for it before it ever came to be (2000 years ago he paid for my sins 2000 years later yet to be committed). I doubted it was God when was young in Christ thinking it was the devil's tricks... ( I knew He loved me and I was forgiven but I felt guilt and shame for not overcoming-- that is not God it is worldly sorrow that deceives) yet God knew my heart better than me and knew how to patiently and lovingly guide me through repeated sinning after I was His. How He deals with one may not be the same as another, but God knows those who are His and how to deal with each.
You see I did not know Love growing up, it was all distorted. God knew I was hard on myself and felt His Love was only there when I did good. I learned and Am still learning that I Am His and He knows when to be patient and gentle and when to be firm. Just like a child that keeps sinning you do not punish or disown, but know when there is more going on than what meets the eye. Some need gentleness and understanding while others firmness or combinations, but God does not measure frequency or amounts as we do but sees the heart and knows the pathway to lead each of His out whether quick or slow. This is how we should learn from God & be sensitive to how he may want to deal with others.

CodyFaith said:

Verses...hmmm...

Sealed with the Spirit, believe will never come into condemnation, have everlasting life.... etc etc.

Basic stuff man. Bassssiiicc.

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I almost rated that funny but caught myself. Your candor is refreshing. Of course you are going to encounter things in life, make mistakes, want to set something right you didn't previously realize was wrong. Paul called Peter a hypocrite, that's not a nice thing to say to a senior Apostle. But Peter was treating Gentile Christians differently when his pious Jewish friends were around. Peter could have been resentful and shouted how dare you! He didn't, he checked his behaviour and later referees to Paul as his dear brother. Rebuke a fool and he will hate you, rebuke a wise man and he will become wiser. Peter took his medicine and got over it, I expect appreciating Paul's candor.

Jason0047 said:

Do you have to keep confessing sin through out your life to be saved?

I believe based on the Bible that the answer to this question would be a resounding.... "Yes."
This is based primarily upon 1 John 1:9
(But we can see it expressed in other verses in the Bible).

What do you say?
And can you support your belief on this with the Bible?
If so, then please provide the verses.

Thank you.

Oh, and also please vote in the poll, too.

Thank you.

And may God bless you all this fine day.

Side Note:

The poll options only allow me to say so much.
I wish I could add more words to the poll options but I cannot.
Anyways, it is implied that if you confess sin, it is also required that you have:

(a) A belief in Jesus and
(b) To confess those sins to Jesus.
(b) A Godly sorrow as a part of confessing sins.​

If you disagree, then vote in the option that says, "Yes (Other, - please explain)"
If you voted wrong or if you feel you have changed your mind on this topic at some point, you are free to change your vote in the poll. Thank you; And may God bless you.

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No, you continue to confess your sin throughout your life because your saved. Grace works repentance not the other way around.

mark kennedy said:

No, you continue to confess your sin throughout your life because your saved. Grace works repentance not the other way around.

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And God might say, "all in my own good timing" and not what or when "you say", you keep the faith for awhile... And preach the right gospel...

Till you get there, or if you ever get there (in this life, this world), you continue to put your faith and hope and trust and reliance in and upon me, no matter what, for that is your calling...

And pray... Humble yourselves and pray as much and as often as you need to and whenever you need to, just make sure you do it... Keep a line of communication with me, and "allow" me to help you (along the way)...

And then we'll see what happens...

God Bless!

Neogaia777 said:

And God might say, "all in my own good timing" and not what or when "you say", you keep the faith for awhile... And preach the right gospel...

Till you get there, or if you ever get there (in this life, this world), you continue to put your faith and hope and trust and reliance in and upon me, no matter what, for that is your calling...

And pray... Humble yourselves and pray as much and as often as you need to and whenever you need to, just make sure you do it... Keep a line of communication with me, and "allow" me to help you (along the way)...

And then we'll see what happens...

God Bless!

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Exactly, it's a relationship, religion is secondary. When Abraham heard the promise he laughed, when Sarah heard the promise she laughed, when Isaac was born his name that God chose meant 'she laughed'. The one who makes the promise is faithfull. Confessing our sin as it comes to light isn't required for salvation, it is salvation. It's as much a part of sanctification as it is justification. We live to honor the one who brought us out of darkness into the light. We can curse the light and flee to the darkness or curse the darkness and flee to the light. That means repentance, but it's the only way to recieve more light.

Grace and peace,
Mark

1 John was written to Jews who were under the Law. Christians after the Cross are no longer under the Law - but Grace. We don't give burnt offerings either - or a host of other things. If a Christian wants to confess all of his or her sins every day, that's fine, but it's not required.

nChrist said:

If a Christian wants to confess all of his or her sins every day, that's fine, but it's not required.

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I say "regularly" and leave the interpretation of that up to the believer...

But we do not want to become too "sin conscious" either, for there is a danger in that as well...

God Bless!

Neogaia777 said:

I say "regularly" and leave the interpretation of that up to the believer...

But we do not want to become too "sin conscious" either, for there is a danger in that as well...

God Bless!

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The level and frequency of your humble, honest prayer though, and or your frequency of communication with Him, or how humble and honest and I guess "true" you are being, or (your) "prayer" (life) (which does not have to be all about sin BTW) will probably maybe reflect the depth of the intimacy of your personal relationship with Him (though) maybe...?

God Bless!

Neogaia777 said:

The level and frequency of your humble, honest prayer though, and or your frequency of communication with Him, or how humble and honest and I guess "true" you are being, or (your) "prayer" (life) (which does not have to be all about sin BTW) will probably maybe reflect the depth of the intimacy of your personal relationship with Him (though) maybe...?

God Bless!

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It's not he overwhelms you all of the sudden, although he is probably capable of doing that, if he so willed, but he doesn't overwhelm you with some kind of feeling all the time, it's like were building intimacy with him over time it grows and matures and develops, slowly at first, but we have to "build it" (build it and he/they will come) (movie) Anyway, you build it together, you and God, Anyway, and He does not speak constantly, at least, not to me, but sometimes, with sometimes very few words sometimes, (But they were just what I needed to hear) (another movie), it's like were "building it", on the foundation and laid with the cornerstone which is Christ Himself...

God Bless!

Notice that - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (vs. 9) is IN CONTRAST TO - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (vs. 8) and - If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make him a liar, and his word is not in us (vs. 10).

Some people misunderstand verse 9 to mean that we "must confess each and every sin that we commit as we commit them" (keep a specific inventory) as an "additional requirement" to "remain cleansed" and "if we forget a sin we are toast!"

Believers speak the same/acknowledge/agree with God's perspective about their sins and have a settled recognition and acknowledgment that one is a sinner in need of cleansing and forgiveness.

Don't blame me, (Luke 12:49) "I came to cast fire upon the earth; and what do I desire, if it is already kindled?

God Bless!

Jason0047 said:

Do you have to keep confessing sin through out your life to be saved?

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Only for mortal sins, that is to say, for sins that interrupt one's relationship with God.

Oscarr said:

That's why sin makes me feel very nervous, and I talk to God about my sins all the time so there are no surprises when I get to the judgment.

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It's funny how comments on the most serious subjects can make us LOL. These words in your post did that: 'That's why sin makes me feel very nervous, and I talk to God about my sins all the time so there are no surprises when I get to the judgment.'