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I know who I am too. I'm a human being. I'm comfortable being called an animal when the word is defined as:
"any of a kingdom (Animalia) of living things including many-celled organisms and often many of the single-celled ones (as protozoans) that typically differ from plants in having cells without cellulose walls, in lacking chlorophyll and the capacity for photosynthesis, in requiring more complex food materials (as proteins), in being organized to a greater degree of complexity, and in having the capacity for spontaneous movement and rapid motor responses to stimulation"
-- Merriam-Webster dictionary
It's the definition that matters, not the letters a-n-i-m-a-l.
eudaimonia,
Mark
hv/2π;54561967 said:There was a time (that still may exist) when black people were considered animals (specifically apes,) with "scientific proof" to back up the claims.
So, one cannot go on definitions alone, otherwise you would have about 30,000,000 black people believing they were apes.
The implications of grouping things where they do not belong are dangerous socially and even economically.
That wasn't a problem with definitions (although I will note that it is your definition of animal above), but with prejudices and poor science.
Not unless the definition was truly arbitrary, such as "black people are defined as apes". But scientific definitions tend to be much more rigorous than this. Also, the science on the subject is far better today.
That's the importance of good definitions. It is poor definitions that are dangerous. The scientific definition of animal is not dangerous to human beings socially or economically.
eudaimonia,
Mark
To be fair, black people are apes.hv/2π;54561967 said:Definitions are arbitrary, especially when they come from other people. We can easily tack on things as we move along in time to "definitions" and change the criteria on the drop of a dime. And that is a recipe for disaster. There was a time (that still may exist) when black people were considered animals (specifically apes,) with "scientific proof" to back up the claims. So, one cannot go on definitions alone, otherwise you would have about 30,000,000 black people believing they were apes.
Only if those groupings allow for discrimination; blacks, Jews, gays, all have been seen as 'sub-human', and have suffered because of it.hv/2π;54561967 said:The implications of grouping things where they do not belong are dangerous socially and even economically.
hv/2π;54561995 said:I see. So no matter what I say you are right?
Good luck finding whatever you are looking for.
To be fair, black people are apes.
Only if those groupings allow for discrimination; blacks, Jews, gays, all have been seen as 'sub-human', and have suffered because of it.
According to scientific classifications, this is true. Of course, all human beings are apes in this way.
Yup.
eudaimonia,
Mark
To be fair, black people are apes.
Only if those groupings allow for discrimination; blacks, Jews, gays, all have been seen as 'sub-human', and have suffered because of it.
Heaven is within you according to your scriptures attributed to Luke. Why wait?From a Christian point of view, we know we live in a broken world. The world was broken by sin and the wages of sin is death. The nature of this broken world is pain and death, of course we all seek to avoid it. The world will not be restored until Christ returns. . . thereafter the lion will lay down with the lamb and all that happy clappy stuff, where animals won't eat each other. What I don't understand is jumping the gun, trying to live as if we already lived in that unbroken/ restored world, especially when it means missing out on a bacon cheese burger.
I don't mean to single you out. . so I am going to adress the following question to all ya'll vegetarian folk:
What is the worldview that makes you not want to eat meat?
There is no single worldview. Vegetarians and vegans have a variety of reasons. Some reasons will overlap while others may not.We can not escape the simple fact that being alive comes at the cost of other living organisms. Plants are no less alive than animals, they just do not trigger our mirror neurons in the same way that an animal, particularly mammals do.
To me whether you are eating a spinach plant, or a chicken is fairly immaterial, something is dying either way.
microscopic creatures die by the billions so that i may live. All life kills other life to live. It is the way of the world.
Life does indeed necessarily kill other life, but not all life can suffer in the same way. Animals, especially mammals and birds, have highly developed central nervous systems.We can not escape the simple fact that being alive comes at the cost of other living organisms. Plants are no less alive than animals, they just do not trigger our mirror neurons in the same way that an animal, particularly mammals do.
To me whether you are eating a spinach plant, or a chicken is fairly immaterial, something is dying either way.
Cells are dying either way, but the entity as a whole is very different. Cows, pigs, birds, etc. can feel pain, can suffer, bleed, be forced in small cages to wallow in their own filth, whereas plants don't have elaborate sensory organs for pain perception.We can not escape the simple fact that being alive comes at the cost of other living organisms. Plants are no less alive than animals, they just do not trigger our mirror neurons in the same way that an animal, particularly mammals do.
To me whether you are eating a spinach plant, or a chicken is fairly immaterial, something is dying either way.
I know there must be some vegetarians in this forum, and plenty of others like me who eat meat. Do you consider eating meat wrong, why or why not?
If you're willing to eat dairy products for those reasons, why not meat?I don't consider eating meat in itself wrong. I don't eat meat because I don't have the guts to hunt it myself and I do consider the consumption of factory farmed meat and poultry to be wrong. I think the meat itself ends up being of poor quality and the treatment of the animals is disgusting.
I opt for being a lacto-ovo vegetarian who gets dairy products from a local resource where I know how the animals are cared for and what's in my food.
If you're willing to eat dairy products for those reasons, why not meat?
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