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Love your response there @Kylie .. I'm smiling!
Spoken like a truly rational, subjective reasoner there .. Does that mean you're actually a human?
(Emoticon there is just me kidding around .. don't take me too seriously).
I understand your meaning, but my point is that subjective/objective is impossible. We can only experience things through ourself as an agent, in your words subjective. Objective is for me a religious term.I mean objective as in something that exists outside of me. I am objectively sitting in a chair right now, for example. It is also an objective fact that the sun and Earth orbit their barycenter.
Subjective is more an opinion. I think Star trek is better than Star Wars, for example. That's a subjective opinion, not an objective fact.
When it comes to finding out objective facts about our universe, science is the best, and I'd say the only tool we have.
But things like morality are subjective. One person might think it's acceptable for murderers to be given the death penalty, but other people might not. There's no objective way to really show which point of view is correct.
Sorry that does not compute! .. Warning Will Robinson! ..Human? I'm a clone of a person, and I come from the planet Fleebos IX. Since I'm a clone of a person, I suppose that means I'm technically human...
Huh? What does that even mean?.. We can only experience things through ourself as an agent,
No way .. Blasphemy!VirOptimus said:And its a fact that Star Wars is objectively better than Star Trek. May the force make you live long and prosper.
How rude!...And its a fact that Star Wars is objectively better than Star Trek. May the force make you live long and prosper.
I understand your meaning, but my point is that subjective/objective is impossible. We can only experience things through ourself as an agent, in your words subjective. Objective is for me a religious term.
Facts are facts, they are neither subjective or objective.
And its a fact that Star Wars is objectively better than Star Trek. May the force make you live long and prosper.
Sorry that does not compute! .. Warning Will Robinson! ..
There's no Fleebos IX in the official register of planets!
(Now there's that problem sorted .... "Next!?" ..)
That is exactly what would happen.
There's no need for that assumption there. (Letting it slip in, opens the door for lots of others, unfortunately ..)If the fact is as true for me as it is for you, then it is objective. You are technically correct in that it depends on there being an external reality that exists independently from us, but I think that's a safe enough assumption to make.
It takes an in-common human mind type to think in objective ways then .. (Not sure about Fleebos IX-ians though ..)Kylie said:But when I think that we can justifiably say that there are something things we can take as objective fact. The value of pi, for instance. It's going to be the same for anyone who measures it.
There's no need for that assumption there. (Letting it slip in, opens the door for lots of others, unfortunately ..)
It takes an in-common human mind type to think in objective ways then .. (Not sure about Fleebos IX-ians though ..)
How the heck do Heisenberg compensators work?That is exactly what would happen.
How the heck do Heisenberg compensators work?
Perhaps it requires a belief in the power of the Force.
That's for you mathematicians to work out.How the heck do Heisenberg compensators work?
Perhaps it requires a belief in the power of the Force.
But we can agree on the way we decide upon what 'exists' means there .. thus we can agree.If we can't even agree that reality exists, there is no basis for any discussion whatsoever.
Different (human) minds think in different ways on the same observation.Kylie said:Are you suggesting that if we were to think in a different way that Pi would have a different value?
You speak a foreign language to me, much like trying to explain science to creationists in this forum.I believe they use the principle of the Plot Device to carry out their function.
I suspect she's really a human hiding out behind the: 'I'm from the planet Fleebos' line ..You speak a foreign language to me, much like trying to explain science to creationists in this forum.
Purely for completeness sake, and so I can openly dodge the obvious 'shifting the goalposts' exposure, (due to my using the simplified 'rock' example), I offer this load of total gobbledygook as an example of someone who appears to be seriously attempting to argue that the value of pi is 4, thus demonstrating the different way his mind works in coming up with an alternate value of pi.SelfSim said:Different (human) minds think in different ways on the same observation.Are you suggesting that if we were to think in a different way that Pi would have a different value?
Mathis said:Abstract: I show that in all kinematic situations, π is 4. For all those going ballistic over my title, I repeat and stress that this paper applies to kinematic situations, not to static or geometric situations. I am analyzing the equivalent of an orbit, which is caused by motion and includes the time variable. In that situation, π becomes 4. I will also remind you this is not just a theory: it has been indicated by many mainstream experiments, including rocketry tests and quantum experiments (see links below). It has also now been proven by my own experiments (see link below).
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