Do you believe in Curses?

[Anthony]

Do you believe in Curses, Evil Spirits, and the rest?

1) Generational Curses (sins of the Fathers)
2) Witchcraft Curses
3) Words & Curses Spoken
4) Ungodly Oaths and dedications
5) Open Doors caused by own personal sins
6) Curses Passed By TIES (YOKE) to other people/groups
7) Curses from Cursing others

 

[Hands&Feet]

I'm not certain that we can make the dichotomy between curses and demonization, but whatever it is that wreaks havoc from the spirit realm, it certainly exisits and it is wicked.

I have found that generational spirits or curses are very predominant among these types which you have listed. Luther's main purpose in infant baptism was to break generational curses. Although I am not Catholic, I attended a baby's christening once and the prayer that the priest read from his book did the same thing. We sometimes take some of this ancient tradition for granted because it seems so lifeless, but when you really consider what those old saints were saying, there is a lot of spiritual wisdom there that we would do well to learn and embrace today.

 

[Emma!]

Do you believe in Curses, Evil Spirits, and the rest?

1) Generational Curses (sins of the Fathers)
2) Witchcraft Curses
3) Words & Curses Spoken
4) Ungodly Oaths and dedications
5) Open Doors caused by own personal sins
6) Curses Passed By TIES (YOKE) to other people/groups
7) Curses from Cursing others

Absolutely! I have a number of these, and they had to be broken.

Only by Jesus blood!!

 

[hal]

Yes, all of the above

 

[victoryword]

Generational Curses

Some of my difficulties is that it seems to take away from the FINISHED redemptive work of Christ. I kow that this is NOT the intentions of the advocates of this teaching. The late Derek Prince was one of my favorite teachers and I held him and still hold him in high esteem.
Nevertheless when I read a passage such as this one:

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree: (Gal. 3:13)

AND

Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. (2 Cor. 5:17)

I have to wonder why I am obligated to get set free from demonic spirits that were troubling my ancestors if these passages are true? Granted that we must learn to walk in and appropriate all that God has said about us and promised, but why do I need deliverance sessions in order to do that? When Satan tells me "you are just like your father. He was a womanizer and you'll be a womanizer" can I not just tell him, "Listen devil, the Bible says that I am a NEW CREATION. The old me is gone. So flee in Jesus name."

Or if the devil tells me, "Hey, your Mom had high blood pressure so you're gonna have it to. It's a family curse." Why is it that I cannot simply tell him that I have been redeemed from the curse of the law. I am now in Christ. Begone in Jesus' Name." Why must I go through a deliverance session to be rid of a generational curse when God's promises should be sufficient for me to stand on?

This is just the beginning of Scriptures I could cite to support my own viewpoint on this subject. I have been in these delivereance sessions before and I have some problems with the teaching in light of my understanding of God's promises. There are several Old Testament Scriptures that declare that children would no longer pay for the sins of their forefathers but that each one would pay for their own.

Again, this is not meant to knock any of the advocates. I cannot begin to say how much of a blessing Prince's ministry was in my life, yet he and I part ways when it comes to the subject of deliverance.

 

[Anthony]

VW

I agree with you totally.

Since the Bible was written in a time and an audience which was not modern, the information had to be discussed and conveyed in the language and understanding of those times.

All science and biology is the Lord's doing. God created all the tinker toys, and simply allows man to build stuff with them. Sins of the Father, IMHO come from the fall. Each generation is subject to the biological breakdown of the generation before. Heredity is a generational curse.

We all suffer the same weakness as Adam and Eve, it's due to fall. Until you talk and share your problems, fears, concerns, sins, you don't realize how much the same we all are.

Why do sins seem to repeat? There are no unique sins, we all share some of the same sins with each other. Is it any wonder then that within families we would also share similar sins.

Look at racism, that is a teaching past down from generation to generation. And how is it broken, with knowledge, and God's soften of your heart to accept the logic of that knowledge.

We all have the same sins, sin cross all boundaries, families, and generations. And each generation keeps on repeating them, because there are no new sins, just variations of the same old ones. We're all looking for someone to blame our problems on, and now are sins.

Only through Jesus Christ can the generational curse of sin, be broken.

We all want answers, but all God chose to give us was wisdom instead.

Prove all things; hold fast that which is good - 1 TH 5:21

 

[Hands&Feet]

But personal deliverance is still deliverance nontheless. We can choose to deliver ourselves or choose not. We still have free will.

In Galatians 1:4 Paul talks about Jesus, who came to deliver us from the evil age. The world used for deliver means to emancipate. Just as with the slaves, it was their choice whether or not they chose to be set free. Some didn't. The evil used here is Poneros, which is an evil which seeks to draw everything into its own evil way. Sounds like satan to me.
So, you guys are right, but deliverance still something we must choose. If we perform personal deliverance we know that it is our will and not someoneelses will that we are exercizing against satan. Prince himself believed this. He was a teacher, so he taught people how to be delivered and helped themthrough the process, but his still believed that all had the ability on their own to do it. It doesn't just happen on its own. Jesus declares and grants us the emancipation proclamation of our souls, but He doesn't usurp our own free will.
One disclaimer about self-deliverance: You should still have a group of intercessors to give you prayer support.

 

[hal]

I believe that we were redeemed from the curse of the law. That is one part of our redemption.
Our final redemption is when we receive the redemption of our bodies.

 

[Crosslight]

Hands and Feet,

I agree with you totally.

There are many things we do not know about that come against us from the spiritual realm. As we continue to walk with the Lord, we learn more and more about the enemy and his opposition against us.

People are knocked off course because they do not understand. For the longest time, I kept getting knocked off my course because I refused to accept all I was seeing and learning in the demonic realm.

Yes, Jesus has made us a new creation, but understand by His teachings what He knew that we should know too... like the woman who had been bent over because satan has afflicted her for years...
ie.. her back bent is the work of the devil. By the words of Jesus, satan had to release and let her go... she was healed.

The devil is not as worried about those who ignore him as those who yield to the Lord teaching us about our enemy.. be wise.

And don't walk alone.. walk in wisdom.

His friend,
stacie

 

[Anthony]

So it wasn't enough for Jesus to die on the Cross, I guess that was.. what? only for our salavation. We need deliverance from satan a well?

 

[Andrew]

Yes I believe in those things you mentioned, in the sense that they do exist, and do operate, in the lives of both believers and non-believers.

But all these can be broken by the blood and finished work of Christ. Ga 3:13 -- Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law.

The problem is, how many people actually know that, let alone believe and confess it to the point that their lives are free from all curses? Just becos Christ died and rose again does not mean that all the blessing automatically manifest in the lives of believers. If that were true, none of us wld be having problems.

 

[Anthony]

Yes I believe in those things you mentioned, in the sense that they do exist, and do operate, in the lives of both believers and non-believers.

But all these can be broken by the blood and finished work of Christ. Ga 3:13 -- Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law.

The problem is, how many people actually know that, let alone believe and confess it to the point that their lives are free from all curses? Just becos Christ died and rose again does not mean that all the blessing automatically manifest in the lives of believers. If that were true, none of us wld be having problems.

Andrew - we agree.

I would also say people don't want to take responsibilty for their problems, and want to blame things on satan. Misery loves company

 

[Hands&Feet]

The problem is, how many people actually know that, let alone believe and confess it to the point that their lives are free from all curses? Just becos Christ died and rose again does not mean that all the blessing automatically manifest in the lives of believers. If that were true, none of us wld be having problems.

Amen! You don't have to look too hard within the church to see that there are a lot of believers who are allowing demons to have a field day with them. I certainly struggle enough with my own flesh to know that my deliverance from evil is a day by day situation. If I pride myself in my righteousness, I have already fallen to the sin of pride. Now, I realize that doesn't mean that I am demonized, but I have nonetheless opened the door of opportunity for them.

Paul prays in Eph 2: I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened to the hope of your calling...(my paraphrase). He goes on to speak of his desire that the Ephesus congregation would grasp all that is part of their inheritance as saints; that they would understand that it was for the church that Christ placed all things in heaven and earth under His feet; that these things must submit to the authority that we have in Christ alone. It is obvious that they had not yet grasped that knowledge, just as most new believers don't today until it is made known to them. Even then, the Spirit must teach it to them.

Jesus' sacrifice alone is our salvation. Nothing can be added to that. But, He will not usurp our free will and thus we are perfectly capable of entertaining the devil if we so desire. Likewise, we are also capable of choosing to receive deliverance that is offered us through Jesus's sacrifice if we so desire. We will not intellectually receive it, though. It is granted to us by faith.

 

[Crosslight]

Hey

It is the ignorance in these matters that concerns me so dearly for the ministers who teach the flock that there are no such things as demons in our lives today.

Thus, His children die for a lack of knowledge..
then, some just don't want the responsibility of having to attend to matters.

Open doors? How many understand what that even means? How many are even open to the understanding?

Thus, demons feast on the children of the Lord.. can all this be real?

His friend,
stacie

 

[Emma!]

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hands&feet:
" Amen! You don't have to look too hard within the church to see that there are a lot of believers who are allowing demons to have a field day with them. I certainly struggle enough with my own flesh to know that my deliverance from evil is a day by day situation. If I pride myself in my righteousness, I have already fallen to the sin of pride. Now, I realize that doesn't mean that I am demonized, but I have nonetheless opened the door of opportunity for them.

Jesus' sacrifice alone is our salvation. Nothing can be added to that. But, He will not usurp our free will and thus we are perfectly capable of entertaining the devil if we so desire. Likewise, we are also capable of choosing to receive deliverance that is offered us through Jesus's sacrifice if we so desire. We will not intellectually receive it, though. It is granted to us by faith."
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I totally agree!! Well said.

We are set free but we chose to "give place to the devil" (eg. sin) and by doing so we basicly give permittion to the enemy to come in and bind us. And we then turn back to God for His help and for deliverance.

Deliverance, healing etc are just a deeper and further accepting of what Jesus did. It is a PART of what He did, He made it possible to be free and this is one of the ways that He did so, He has given us the authority (through Him) to do that (eg. deliverance) and if Jesus didnt do what He did we would have the authority and we wouldnt live in full freedom.

I also TOTALLY agree with you Crosslight! It is very sad the the enemy has decieved so many christians

 

[victoryword]

Here is where I have a problem with a lot of the "curses" teaching: It seems that Christians are wasting a lot of time trying to find the origin of people's problems instead of just taking their authority over demons and sickness and casting them out.

In John 9:1-5, Jesus admonished His disciples for looking for theological and philosophical reasons behind people's probvlems instead of just taking the opportunity to demonstrate God's power:
As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" Jesus answered, "Neither this man sinned nor his parents sinned. But that the works of God might be revealed in him, we must work the works of him who sent me, while it is day. Night is coming, when no one can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world." (The Common New Testament)

The disciples were so concerned about the theological reasons concerning the man's blindness that they neglected the man's need. Jesus did not bother with the origins of the sickness. He was only concerned with doing the work of God, which was to deliver this man from satan's oppression (Acts 10:38).

I am not saying that one cannot suffer from Genetic diseases that are passed on from generation to generation. Neither am I saying that people walk in victory the moment they are born again.

What I am disputing is the need to have to go back into family history in order to deal with the problem, whether it be a bondage to a particular sin (or mindset) or a sickness. Faith in God's Word should be sufficient to overcome these areas in our lives.

I have seen no instructions in any of the gospels or epistles in dealing with family or generational curses. I have seen no examples of this in the gospels or Acts. Usually if healing was needed, no inquiry was done into the family history. They simply either casted out the devil or laid hands on that sick person or maybe even had them take some action like standing to their feet or stretching out their hand.

When someone sinned, they were rebuked and told to live holy or suffer the consequences. No inquiry was made to determine if their sinning was the result of a generational curse.

 

[MikeMcK]

Do you believe in Curses, Evil Spirits, and the rest?

I believe in evil spirits. Not Hollywood evil spirits but the fallen angels spoken about in the Bible.

1) Generational Curses (sins of the Fathers)
2) Witchcraft Curses
3) Words & Curses Spoken
4) Ungodly Oaths and dedications
5) Open Doors caused by own personal sins
6) Curses Passed By TIES (YOKE) to other people/groups
7) Curses from Cursing others

No, I don't believe in them.

 

[Hands&Feet]

Here is where I have a problem with a lot of the "curses" teaching: It seems that Christians are wasting a lot of time trying to find the origin of people's problems instead of just taking their authority over demons and sickness and casting them out.

Usually if healing was needed, no inquiry was done into the family history. They simply either casted out the devil or laid hands on that sick person or maybe even had them take some action like standing to their feet or stretching out their hand.

When someone sinned, they were rebuked and told to live holy or suffer the consequences. No inquiry was made to determine if their sinning was the result of a generational curse.

I couldn't agree more! That is exactly what I was trying to say. I sadly fear that some people take advantage over today's society's propensity for casting blame somewhere other than at the root of the problem--themselves--and make big ministries out of it. If WE have authority over demons, then we don't need "Reverend Rebuker" to do the job for us. But, I am still an advocate of much prayer support when it comes to doing our "house cleanings." And it is both interesting and helpful in understanding these entities if we can see how they have effected earlier generations.
But, as far as deliverance is concerned, we don't need to do a doctoral thesis on it, we just need to put an end to the torment.
I have no problem with deliverance teachers. I just question some of the methods of the deliverance ministers.

 

[Emma!]

One of the reasons that i can see that explains why sometimes people ask about the family history is because they have to be delivered but also the generational curse needs to be broken so it doesnt continue down the generations on to the next.

Also it gives the person some conformation of what they are doing if they know for sure that it is in the family history.

An example of these is, my fiance's was having particular health problems etc and in looking into that, he found out that his grandfather was in the Freemasons and the symptoms that he was having were as a result of some of the curses from the oaths that were taken. So that in turn helped my fiance to know what exactly to repent and renounce (eg. each oath).

But i do know what you were saying

Anyway Jesus set my fiance FREE!!! Praise God!!

 

[MikeMcK]

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