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Because of Eve's disobedience all men died. Because of Mary's obedience, all men live. Who is more worthy of a title?
Only God gets the glory not Mary not you not me only God because He is the author of all things.
Giving glory to someone other than God is in my book idolatry.
In everything God alone has the glory yet God in his grace shares his glory with his people. That is what Jesus said when he talked with the apostles in the closing chapters of the gospel of saint John. The Lord said, "The glory that you gave to me I have given to them" (John 17:22) he speaks of the glory he received as the Son of Man from the Father and which he has given to the faithful. Of course God is always the source of the glory and all praise ultimately is given to him even when it is given through praises of the things (and the people) he has made.
But doesn't that contradict Isaiah 42:8
"I am the Lord; that is my name;
my glory I give to no other,
nor my praise to carved idols."
I do not think that it does because the uncreated glory of God is not what is shared with the faithful but rather the created glory that Jesus Christ received from the Father as the Christ (messiah) who is to rule the world. We are creatures and always will be, even though we will share in the divine nature through our union with Jesus Christ we will not cease being created beings who depend on God for life and breath and all things but we will be like Christ in his resurrection and that is a glory in itself.
I will quote once more:
Doesn't that statement "scare" you, even a little bit?
Because of God, all men live.
Because of Jesus Christ obedience, all men live.
Because of Mary's obedience, all men live.
Something about that doesn't seem right to me. I mean, why give that kind of glory to a mere servant when all glory should go to God alone?
"What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believeas the Lord has assigned to each his task. 6 I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow. 7 So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. 8 The one who plants and the one who waters have one purpose, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labor. 9 For we are co-workers in Gods service; you are Gods field, Gods building." 1 Corinthians 3:5-9
Interesting you mind if I start a topic on this to get a better viewpoint from others so we don't derail the thread?
Only God gets the glory not Mary not you not me only God because He is the author of all things.
Giving glory to someone other than God is in my book idolatry.
But doesn't that contradict Isaiah 42:8
"I am the Lord; that is my name;
my glory I give to no other,
nor my praise to carved idols."
No, it doesn't scare me. Not that theological positions scare me, but what "scares" me is the position touted by many who reduce people and their actions to mere illusions or puppetry, as if nothing we do matters nor is truly real in any meaningful sense.
You and I, and every other person, are real persons; we are not illusions; we are not robots; we are not tools; we are not play things. Our actions are real. History truly happened, and continues to happen. Our actions and choices impact things outside of ourselves in a truly real way.
"Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you both to will and to do his good pleasure."
Who is working? God? Me? The answer is "yes." Just because a person made a choice which impacted billions of people doesn't mean that that somehow diminishes God's role.
It is not my theology which allows God to be limited by human actions, if that really is what everyone is so worried about.
Our knowledge of God starts with Christ on the cross, not with what we think the pages of Scripture mean. The God of the cross cares nothing for His own image and well-being. So whatever we think that passage in Isaiah means, it is not what you are saying it means.
I must disagree.
Without Jesus there would be no Virgin Mary. The necessary one is not the Virgin Mary but Jesus. To say otherwise is somewhat akin, though not analogous, to saying "Without humans there would be no God." Which , of course is the position taken by atheists.
Except that the observation about Mary is an observation about what God did, really did, in history while the hypothetical you posed is not about what God did since clearly God did create human beings. It might be better to reason that because God created human beings we know that God is.
So you're telling me that God is a self-absorbed narcissist who needs everyone to give Him pats on the back for all eternity? I don't know that God.
So you're telling me that God shouldn't get all the Glory that he's done here on earth?
What do you think Isaiah meant by that statement?
No, if you mean it could've been "The Virgin Betty"."Without the Virgin Mary, there would be no Jesus Christ. Without the Virgin Mary there would be no Mother Church."
Yes or No?
In Isaiah God says, "I will share my glory with no one." Yet we know from the New Testament that the end result of our salvation is that God will glorify us. .
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