Do you agree that Christians should obey all 613 commandments?

LittleLambofJesus · May 10, 2011

yedida said:
It shouldn't be so hard to name one that is impossible to keep.
You're great at trying to turn the tables, not gonna happen.

Is that with or w/o tablecloths

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Romans 11:9 And David is saying 'let be being become! the Table of them into a trap and into a mesh and into a snare and into a recompense to them'.
[Psalm 69:22/Daniel 11:9]

Luke 16:21 and yearning to be satisfied from the crumbs, the-ones falling from the Table of the Rich-one, but also the dogs coming licked the sores of him

11822 · May 10, 2011

spiritwarrior37 said:
We are under Grace, not under the Law. We are not required to follow the Law. It is an impossibel task to do so anyway, other wise they would not have had to pick their perfect lamb to take to the temple to be salughtered. As far as the 10 commandments, did Jesus not condense those into only 2?

God bless

But aren't we supposed to abstain from works of the flesh while relying on Grace?

Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Eph 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Eph 4:19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
Eph 4:20But ye have not so learned Christ;

Ro 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

11822 · May 10, 2011

from scratch said:
So we're not under the law Rom 6:14 and 15 two verses in a row. We[re delivered from the law Rom 7:6. Jesus is the end of the law for righteousness Rom 10:4. The law was until John LK 16:16. We're to throw the law out Gal 4:30.

Why should we bother with the law?

Because works of the flesh are not of the holy Spirit?

LittleLambofJesus · May 10, 2011

11822 said:
Because works of the flesh are not of the holy Spirit?

Galatians is a good read concerning that

http://www.christianforums.com/t7411599-29/#post53287227
Book of Galatian verse by verse

Young) Galatians 2:16 having known also that a man is not declared righteous by works of law, if not through the faith of Jesus Christ, also we in Christ Jesus did believe, that we might be declared righteous by the faith of Christ, and not by works of law, wherefore declared righteous by works of law shall be no flesh.'

Young) Galatians 5:19 And manifest also are the works of the flesh, which are: Adultery, whoredom, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, strifes, emulations, wraths, rivalries, dissensions, sects,
21 envyings, murders, drunkennesses, revellings, and such like, of which I tell you before, as I also said before,
that those doing such things the kingdom of God shall not inherit.

11822 · May 10, 2011

LittleLambofJesus said:
Galatians is a good read concerning that

http://www.christianforums.com/t7411599-29/#post53287227
Book of Galatian verse by verse

Young) Galatians 2:16 having known also that a man is not declared righteous by works of law, if not through the faith of Jesus Christ, also we in Christ Jesus did believe, that we might be declared righteous by the faith of Christ, and not by works of law, wherefore declared righteous by works of law shall be no flesh.'

Young) Galatians 5:19 And manifest also are the works of the flesh, which are: Adultery, whoredom, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, strifes, emulations, wraths, rivalries, dissensions, sects,
21 envyings, murders, drunkennesses, revellings, and such like, of which I tell you before, as I also said before,
that those doing such things the reign of God shall not inherit.

Yes that about covers it except one thing, some seem to suggest that because we are free it doesn't matter what we do. Some seem to suggest that we don't need gods pesky laws of holy morality any longer because the Holy Spirit will magically whisper in our ear and tell us what is correct to god concerning holiness. Some think the law of murder went out the door with circumcision. Paul says different, he says that we shouldn't use grace as an excuse to sin. Paul quotes the 10 cs when talking about "love God and neighbor' and so do I.

11822 · May 10, 2011

Maybe we should start a thread entitled "should Christians follow the law of Jesus?" and maybe we should debate that. Its foundation is very similar to the 10 commandments. weird huh?

LittleLambofJesus · May 10, 2011

11822 said:
Yes that about covers it except one thing, some seem to suggest that because we are free it doesn't matter what we do. Some seem to suggest that we don't need gods pesky laws of holy morality any longer because the Holy Spirit will magically whisper in our ear and tell us what is correct to god concerning holiness. Some think the law of murder went out the door with circumcision. Paul says different, he says that we shouldn't use grace as an excuse to sin. Paul quotes the 10 cs when talking about "love God and neighbor' and so do I.

Perhaps you should discuss that with the Jews, since 12 of their tribes are mentioned in Revelation

Luke 18:20 The commandments thou have known, no thou should be committing adultery, no thou should be murdering, no thou should be stealing, no thou should be bearing false witness. Be honouring thy father and thy mother.

Matthew 23:31 So as ye are testifying to yourselves, that sons ye are of the ones murdering the prophets;

Revelation 9:21 And not they reform/repent out of their murders, nor out from their sorceries.......
[Luke 18:20/James 9:21]

Dorothea · May 10, 2011

SummaScriptura said:
I put this one together using reftagger. I copied it from Wiki but added the function of reftagger. Hover your mouse over each verse citation to read it without clicking it. Very educational and should be wonderful for those who wish to wallow in the Law...

613 Laws of the Old Testament

I've never heard of 613 commandments. Was reading your link, going down the long list. Quit after a while and thought to myself, "how can anybody remember all of that?" I did notice this was for the Jews and the OT laws, right? Anyhow, sorry for the ignorance on this topic. As I said before, it's news to me.

11822 · May 10, 2011

The only law we have is to love. Does this include hippy love? The Hippies took acid, had orgies and didn't consider Gods son but they loved one another. Isn't Gods definition of love different than that of the world? Doesn't the 10 Cs help us define Gods love? And don't we have an obligation to be holy? And doesn't the law also help us define what is Holy?

It seems a bit more complicated than just throwing out the law and saying "i love you" doesn't it?

spiritwarrior37 · May 10, 2011

yedida said:
If you think that the 4th is impossible, what is so difficult about it? What does the Law proper say about it?

Are you speaking of the fourth commandment, or one of the other 603 laws?

spiritwarrior37 · May 10, 2011

11822 said:
Because works of the flesh are not of the holy Spirit?

What does this have to do with the law?

11822 · May 10, 2011

spiritwarrior37 said:
What does this have to do with the law?

Works of the flesh are not allowed under the NC. The law defines works of the flesh.

Dorothea · May 10, 2011

11822 said:
Works of the flesh are not allowed under the NC. The law defines works of the flesh.

What kinds of works of the flesh? As I understand it, the mentioning of the flesh in the Bible has more than one meaning.

11822 · May 10, 2011

Dorothea said:
What kinds of works of the flesh? As I understand it, the mentioning of the flesh in the Bible has more than one meaning.

Both

Dorothea · May 10, 2011

11822 said:
Both

So you think anything about the flesh is evil?

11822 · May 11, 2011

Dorothea said:
So you think anything about the flesh is evil?

No. And theres no reason to assume i do. The bible defines works of flesh and says we should not do them under the NC

Dorothea · May 11, 2011

11822 said:
No. And theres no reason to assume i do. The bible defines works of flesh and says we should not do them under the NC

Oh, ok. Thank you for clarifying what you meant.

SummaScriptura · May 11, 2011

11822 said:
Works of the flesh are not allowed under the NC. The law defines works of the flesh.

Works of the flesh have never been "allowed" by God during any era.

Paul's usage of the term "flesh" is not equal to the body. Paul's usage of "flesh" has to do with man's works devoid of the Spirit of God. The godly have had the help of God's Spirit in all eras, and whatever they did in faith would not qualify as a "work of the flesh".

visionary · May 11, 2011

SummaScriptura said:
Works of the flesh have never been "allowed" by God during any era.

Paul's usage of the term "flesh" is not equal to the body. Paul's usage of "flesh" has to do with man's works devoid of the Spirit of God. The godly have had the help of God's Spirit in all eras, and whatever they did in faith would not qualify as a "work of the flesh".

Obeying the Law is not works of the flesh unless it is doing it according to the letter rather than in living faith

SummaScriptura · May 11, 2011

visionary said:
Obeying the Law is not works of the flesh unless it is doing it according to the letter rather than in living faith

Agreed.

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