Do you agree that Christians should obey all 613 commandments?

11822 said:

The new testament covers the law either directly by Jesus or falls under "love God and your neighbor". Adultery and murder are covered by Jesus. Jesus said not to worry about clothes and food but seek the Kingdom first which covers coveting. Using Gods name in vein goes without saying. Stealing and bearing false witness are covered under love your neighbor and in other parts of the NT.

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Did you read John 15:10?

11822 said:

Yes but Jesus presents the law in a way which doesnt void the original meaning unless done so by Him directly. Adultery is not void, its made more clear, even looking at a women is adultery. Jesus didn't void the adultery law.

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NTL Jesus changes the law which was until John - LK 16:16.

SummaScriptura said:

Not only that, they built a fence around them, effectively multiplying the list...

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They were good people really, but they just didn't get it.
I mean its noble to keep the law and all that.
But they added a lot of rules, which, is bad.
And Christ wanted people to stop sinning in their hearts in the NT.

Frankly the law is good.
But it is me who is not good.
So, according to the law, i have to die

11822 said:

You do know that you seem to be unfairly labeling me as an accuser don't you?

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You made the reference not me. Momma always said if the shoe fits wear and quite griping. So if it don't fit, kick it off.

from scratch said:

Certianly. And Jesus didn't say keep the 10 Cs in the above reference. Read very closely. It is seen that way because the word commandment(s) is used.

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You say Jesus voided the adultery and murder law here? As long as i dont look at a woman with lust in my heart i can commit the actual act of adultery? As long as i don't call him a fool or become angry with my brotther without cause i can kill him? Jesus teaches us not to hate without cause or kill. Jesus teaches not look at a woman unless its our wife and not to commit adultery.


21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. 25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. 26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Isolation said:

They were good people really, but they just didn't get it.
I mean its noble to keep the law and all that.
But they added a lot of rules, which, is bad.

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we still do that, lots of us still do that (we and us being the royal use )

Isolation said:

Most of them are void LOL.

We need a new list that isn't outdated and useless, also this is what the Pharisees did.
They made a list.

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Some make that list from the old one. So there is no difference. It is still the old list. You gotta look somewhere else if you're gonna make a new list. At least I think so.

from scratch said:

Some make that list from the old one. So there is no difference. It is still the old list. You gotta look somewhere else if you're gonna make a new list. At least I think so.

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Not really.
Most of them are voided out.
They are no longer useable.

from scratch said:

You made the reference not me. Momma always said if the shoe fits wear and quite griping. So if it don't fit, kick it off.

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I didn't make the reference, you did.

IreneAdler said:

we still do that, lots of us still do that (we and us being the royal use )

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I will get heart sick if I find something contradicting in my faith, that includes adding to it

You say Jesus voided the adultery and murder law here? As long as i dont look at a woman with lust in my heart i can commit the actual act of adultery? As long as i don't call him a fool or become angry with my brotther without cause i can kill him? Jesus teaches us not to hate without cause or kill. Jesus teaches not look at a woman unless its our wife and not to commit adultery.

SummaScriptura said:

Not only that, they built a fence around them, effectively multiplying the list...

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Yep they is a might protective of death, ain't they. Wonder what the atraction is? I personally like life so much I'm not gonna investigate death.

I always wonder why they put a fence around a cemetery. People are still dying to get in. Their even still inventing new ways to die.

from scratch said:

Yep they is a might protective of death, ain't they. Wonder what the atraction is? I personally like life so much I'm not gonna investigate death.

I always wonder why they put a fence around a cemetery. People are still dying to get in. Their even still inventing new ways to die.

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You say Jesus voided the adultery and murder law here? As long as i dont look at a woman with lust in my heart i can commit the actual act of adultery? As long as i don't call him a fool or become angry with my brotther without cause i can kill him? Jesus teaches us not to hate without cause or kill. Jesus teaches not look at a woman unless its our wife and not to commit adultery.

from scratch said:

Yep they is a might protective of death, ain't they. Wonder what the atraction is? I personally like life so much I'm not gonna investigate death.

I always wonder why they put a fence around a cemetery. People are still dying to get in. Their even still inventing new ways to die.

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you ready to answer those questions?

11822 said:

You say Jesus voided the adultery and murder law here? As long as i dont look at a woman with lust in my heart i can commit the actual act of adultery? As long as i don't call him a fool or become angry with my brotther without cause i can kill him? Jesus teaches us not to hate without cause or kill. Jesus teaches not look at a woman unless its our wife and not to commit adultery.

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What about number nine on the line? Please provide the quote. I never said such.

11822 said:

I didn't make the reference, you did.

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I don't think so. Provide the quote.

11822 said:

You say Jesus voided the adultery and murder law here? As long as i dont look at a woman with lust in my heart i can commit the actual act of adultery? As long as i don't call him a fool or become angry with my brotther without cause i can kill him? Jesus teaches us not to hate without cause or kill. Jesus teaches not look at a woman unless its our wife and not to commit adultery.

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I've no clue what yer squaking bout. I didn't see a word bout adultery or murder in that quote of me.

from scratch said:

I don't think so. Provide the quote.

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Lets not brother and say we did.

from scratch said:

I've no clue what yer squaking bout. I didn't see a word bout adultery or murder in that quote of me.

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Thanks.