Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

Elder 111 · Apr 5, 2011

Hebrews 8: 7For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

There was a problem with the first covenant. what was it?

8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

The problem was with the people not the covenant itself.

9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

The people did not keep they end of the bargain. the broke the contract. "All that the lord say we will do". That was not the case.

10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

The law was not the problem. Here it is again in the new covenant.

Elder 111 · Apr 5, 2011

If the earthly sanctuary is a copy of the one in Heaven then the 10 commandments is there also. That will also explain why God made it a point of writing it Himself and asking that it be placed under His mercy seat on earth, just as in heaven.
1Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
2A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
3For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
4For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

brinny · Apr 5, 2011

LittleLambofJesus said:
Better yet, how would the unbelieving Jews of today reconcile it

Young) James 2:10 for whoever the whole/olon <3650> law shall keep, and shall stumble in one [point], he hath become guilty of all

Last time used in Bible

Rotherham) Revelation 16:14 for they are spirits of demons, doing signs, which are to go forth unto the kings of the whole/olhV <3650> habitable land, to gather them together unto the battle of the great day of God the Almighty.--

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G3650 matches the Greek ὅλος (holos), which occurs 112 times in 99 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

YouTube - AlkaSeltzer "I Can't Believe I Ate The Whole Thing" TV Spot

that's a hilarious commercial

MamaZ · Apr 5, 2011

Elder 111 said:
What does this mean? Israel has one set of rules in salvation and gentiles another?

Nope but until they come to Christ they will follow the law. We do not have a set of rules for salvation. You do understand this don't you?

MamaZ · Apr 5, 2011

Elder 111 said:
And do nothing?

What do you mean and do nothing?

ARBITER01 · Apr 5, 2011

MamaZ said:
Nope but until they come to Christ they will follow the law. We do not have a set of rules for salvation. You do understand this don't you?

That's correct.

It is a "new" covenant with Jesus, not a re-newed one. They are both separate and distinct.

Frogster · Apr 5, 2011

Elder 111 said:
We are speaking of the ten commandments. It is or it is not. Simple. Jesus said what He said, meaning that the Sabbath will still be kept long after His death or not.

The sabbath was never given to gentiles.

Psalm 147:19 He declares his word to Jacob,
his statutes and rules to Israel.20 He has not dealt thus with any other nation;they do not know his rules. Praise the LORD!

bugkiller · Apr 5, 2011

Elder 111 said:
Hebrews 8: 7For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

There was a problem with the first covenant. what was it?

8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

The problem was with the people not the covenant itself.

9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

The people did not keep they end of the bargain. the broke the contract. "All that the lord say we will do". That was not the case.

10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

The law was not the problem. Here it is again in the new covenant.

I would like to ask is the problem the covenant or the people? If it is impossible for the people to keep the covenant for any reason is it really the people that is the problem? The very nature of man causes a problem. We can't help ourselves in this department.

Was finding fault not the cause of the law in the first place? I know of no law that is not made to correct a problem and instill fear to alter behavior.

bugkiller

Rajni · Apr 5, 2011

Lionroot said:
The scripture of course is true. I was referencing your interpretation which was not.

Which interpretation was that? I simply reiterated what James 2:10 says. What part of that did you find to be untrue?

Harry3142 · Apr 5, 2011

The Old Testament describes an organization, with laws and commandments dictating what the people who were members of that organization (the Hebrews) were supposed to do.

The New Testament describes an organism. No longer do we see laws and commandments as an external force dictating our actions. Instead, we are given 'the fruit of the Spirit' which acts as an internal force dictating our actions:

So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. (Galatians 5:16-26,NIV)

I call this passage 'The Christians Code of Conduct'. But it is a code that dictates much more than what we will do, or refrain from doing. It describes how we are to feel, and what feelings we are to refrain from having (count how many of 'the acts of the sinful nature' are feelings rather than actions).

In order for our actions to conform to what God wants of us the core emotions which culminate in those actions must conform to the 9 'fruit'. There is no such thing as doing the right thing for the wrong reasons and having that action be approved by God. These 'fruit' are our borders. So long as what we say and/or do has these fruit as their reason for being, then we have assurance that what we have said and/or done conforms to God's will. But should our words and/or actions emanate from the feelings described as 'acts of the sinful nature', then what we have said and/or done no longer has God's approval. We have 'crossed the line'.

It is also what James points out as the 'yardstick' whereby we can tell if a person's faith is genuine, or if he is simply 'going through the motions'. The example he gives is not based on legalism; it's based on compassion:

What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. (James 2:14-17,NIV)

So the actions which God would have us perform are not seperate from the faith we have, if that faith is genuine. Instead, they are the outgrowth of that faith, which has already rewarded us with the fruit which the Spirit has implanted in us. And just as the light we see actively coming from the sun is the direct result of the sun's vitality, the actions we actively perform are the direct result of our faith's vitality.

Elder 111 · Apr 5, 2011

MamaZ said:
Nope but until they come to Christ they will follow the law. We do not have a set of rules for salvation. You do understand this don't you?

No! Do you? Explain what you mean.

Elder 111 · Apr 5, 2011

MamaZ said:
What do you mean and do nothing?

Exactly that. I believe in Jesus and do nothing. I am not saved by word so do nothing. I am not saved by the law. So forget it.

Elder 111 · Apr 5, 2011

bugkiller said:
I would like to ask is the problem the covenant or the people? If it is impossible for the people to keep the covenant for any reason is it really the people that is the problem? The very nature of man causes a problem. We can't help ourselves in this department.

Was finding fault not the cause of the law in the first place? I know of no law that is not made to correct a problem and instill fear to alter behavior.

bugkiller

A speed limit is made to correct speeding? How so? How can it?
God gave a requirement that could not be kept? How so? Would that not be ridiculous? unfair?
Does not the indwelling of the Holy Spirit provide the power to do right by the law?
Did not Jesus live to proof that it could be done?

Rajni · Apr 6, 2011

Elder 111 said:
Exactly that. I believe in Jesus and do nothing. I am not saved by word so do nothing. I am not saved by the law. So forget it.

Elder, I had asked you this previously (post #499) and you haven't responded:

Does your bible not contain Ephesians 2:15 or Colossians 2:14?

In addition to that, does your Bible not contain Galatians 3?

.

MamaZ · Apr 6, 2011

Elder 111 said:
No! Do you? Explain what you mean.

That following a set of rules are not what saves a man. That there is only one way to salvation and that is Christ and Him alone. For our salvation is not in our works but in Christ.

MamaZ · Apr 6, 2011

Elder 111 said:
Exactly that. I believe in Jesus and do nothing. I am not saved by word so do nothing. I am not saved by the law. So forget it.

So when you ask this I am left to wonder if you understand the new birth that God gives us through Believing into Christ. Not one of keeping the law but one spurred by the love of God that is shed abroad in our heart by the HS. What can you possible do to add to the death of Christ for which a man is saved?

from scratch · Apr 6, 2011

Misread the post. Sorry.

from scratch · Apr 6, 2011

Harry3142 said:
The Old Testament describes an organization, with laws and commandments dictating what the people who were members of that organization (the Hebrews) were supposed to do.

The New Testament describes an organism. No longer do we see laws and commandments as an external force dictating our actions. Instead, we are given 'the fruit of the Spirit' which acts as an internal force dictating our actions:

So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. (Galatians 5:16-26,NIV)

I call this passage 'The Christians Code of Conduct'. But it is a code that dictates much more than what we will do, or refrain from doing. It describes how we are to feel, and what feelings we are to refrain from having (count how many of 'the acts of the sinful nature' are feelings rather than actions).

In order for our actions to conform to what God wants of us the core emotions which culminate in those actions must conform to the 9 'fruit'. There is no such thing as doing the right thing for the wrong reasons and having that action be approved by God. These 'fruit' are our borders. So long as what we say and/or do has these fruit as their reason for being, then we have assurance that what we have said and/or done conforms to God's will. But should our words and/or actions emanate from the feelings described as 'acts of the sinful nature', then what we have said and/or done no longer has God's approval. We have 'crossed the line'.

It is also what James points out as the 'yardstick' whereby we can tell if a person's faith is genuine, or if he is simply 'going through the motions'. The example he gives is not based on legalism; it's based on compassion:

What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. (James 2:14-17,NIV)

So the actions which God would have us perform are not seperate from the faith we have, if that faith is genuine. Instead, they are the outgrowth of that faith, which has already rewarded us with the fruit which the Spirit has implanted in us. And just as the light we see actively coming from the sun is the direct result of the sun's vitality, the actions we actively perform are the direct result of our faith's vitality.

ARBITER01 · Apr 6, 2011

Elder 111 said:
No! Do you? Explain what you mean.

It was quite easy to understand what she said from scripture,..

Gal 3:24 So that the law hath been our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor.

After we are born again, we have no need for the law of moses since we are under the law of Christ.

mark46 · Apr 6, 2011

We are under the Law of Moses or we are not. Paul teaches "not". Jesus teaches "not".

HOWEVER, this does not mean that the 10 commandments and the other 603 (why do we distinguish?) are not useful for teaching and rebuking and training in righteousness.

HOWEVER, we must understand that the commands of Jesus and the Beatitudes are much more difficult to follow that the Law of Moses ever was.

Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

10 commandments for christians or not?

No 10 commandments for Christians

Chriatians should keep the 10 commandments

10 commandments except Sabbath

Member

Member

everlovin' shiner of light in dark places

MamaZ

Guest

MamaZ

Guest

Legend

Galatians is the best!

Well-Known Member

☯ Ego ad Eum pertinent ☯

Regular Member

Member

Member

Member

☯ Ego ad Eum pertinent ☯

MamaZ

Guest

MamaZ

Guest

from scratch

Guest

from scratch

Guest

Legend

Well-Known Member

Similar threads

Privacy & Transparency

Privacy & Transparency