Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

[janwoG]

The first commandment of Jesus Love God summarizes the 5 first commandments, love your neighbor summarize the 5 other commandments. Jesus synthesized the 2 commandments on the mount of blessings love God through love your neighbor. The latter is subdivided by the 13 blessings which are positive commandments. These commandment are concluded by being perfect as the Father is perfect, which was fulfilled only by Jesus, hence we need by faith to be carried on the back of Jesus. The exodus from Egypt is the deliverance of Israel from the slavery in Egypt and God led his people into the Promised Land. The parallel of Sinai is the Mount of Blessings who God led us from the slavery of sin to the promised Kingdom of God. All mitzvoth are rules of application leading us to fulfill all commandments. Not going to the details, the Torah of Sinai commanded us to be holy because our God is holy (there is of course not the idea of equality). The commandment of Jesus goes further; one has to aim to be as holy as the Father. Moses allowed to divorce provided that an act of divorce be written, because the duress of our heart, Jesus did not allowed divorcing except In the case of adultery. Transgression of adultery is much more severe under Yeshua Lord than the Sinaic Law. By the way, Jesus has declared that He is the Lord of Shabbat, hence the Shabat is the Lord’s day. Sunday is a possibility, but this is a human choice. Dear Frogster or little Lamb, even you don’t to, the Messianic Church will be Messianic at the Messianic Season; one Law (the Torah) and one people,but what Torah? The Torah of Yeshua. But what is concretely the Torah of Yeshua, a lot of exegesis remains to be done before answering the question. I see that one has to focus on the blessings, aiming to establish commentaries using the technique of Midrash.

 

[Frogster]

The first commandment of Jesus Love God summarizes the 5 first commandments, love your neighbor summarize the 5 other commandments. Jesus synthesized the 2 commandments on the mount of blessings love God through love your neighbor. The latter is subdivided by the 13 blessings which are positive commandments. These commandment are concluded by being perfect as the Father is perfect, which was fulfilled only by Jesus, hence we need by faith to be carried on the back of Jesus. The exodus from Egypt is the deliverance of Israel from the slavery in Egypt and God led his people into the Promised Land. The parallel of Sinai is the Mount of Blessings who God led us from the slavery of sin to the promised Kingdom of God. All mitzvoth are rules of application leading us to fulfill all commandments. Not going to the details, the Torah of Sinai commanded us to be holy because our God is holy (there is of course not the idea of equality). The commandment of Jesus goes further; one has to aim to be as holy as the Father. Moses allowed to divorce provided that an act of divorce be written, because the duress of our heart, Jesus did not allowed divorcing except In the case of adultery. Transgression of adultery is much more severe under Yeshua Lord than the Sinaic Law. By the way, Jesus has declared that He is the Lord of Shabbat, hence the Shabat is the Lord’s day. Sunday is a possibility, but this is a human choice. Dear Frogster or little Lamb, even you don’t to, the Messianic Church will be Messianic at the Messianic Season; one Law (the Torah) and one people,but what Torah? The Torah of Yeshua. But what is concretely the Torah of Yeshua, a lot of exegesis remains to be done before answering the question. I see that one has to focus on the blessings, aiming to establish commentaries using the technique of Midrash.

Did u ever notice that in just 7 verses, the law was juxtaposed to Spirit, Abraham, the cross, justification, the gospel, sonship, miracles, and believing?

Not to mention, to get under law, was to be in the flesh, verse 3.

1 YOU STUPID GALATIANS! You must have been bewitched you before whose eyes Jesus Christ was openly displayed upon his cross! 2 Answer me one question: did you receive the Spirit by keeping the law or by believing the gospel message? 3 Can it be that you are so stupid? You started with the spiritual; do you now look to the material to make you perfect? 4 Have all your great experiences been in vain if vain indeed they should be? I ask then: 5 when God gives you the Spirit and works miracles among you, why is this? Is it because you keep the law, or is it because you have faith in the gospel message? 6 [ Gn.15.6. ] Look at Abraham: he put his faith in God, and that faith was counted to him as righteousness.7 You may take it, then, that it is the men of faith who are Abraham's sons.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

We need to just keep it simple here folks!

http://www.christianforums.com/t5684093/#post36642258
The Hill Billy Ten Commandments!

The Hillbilly's Ten Commandments
(posted on the wall at Cross Trails Church in Gainesboro , TN. )

(1) Just one God
(2) Honor yer Ma & Pa
(3) Don't use his name unless ya meanit. No tellin' tales or gossipin'
(4) Git yourself to Sunday meetin'
(5) Put nothin' before God
(6) No foolin' around with another fellow's gal
(7) No killin'
(8) Watch yer mouth
(9) Don' t take what ain't yers
(10) Don't be hankerin' for yer buddy's stuff
Now that's kinda plain an' simple, don't ya think? Y'all have a nice day.
God Bless

http://www.christianforums.com/t7549124/
Mathew 8:12 question

Matthew 8:12 The yet sons of the Kingdom shall-be-being-cast-out into the outer darkness,
there shall be the lamentation and the gnashing of the teeth.
[Gnashing used 7 times, 6 times Matt, 1 time Luke]

 

[Harry3142]

By obeying the laws of this state, as well as the USA, have I earned my way into heaven? No, I have not. All I have done is act as a responsible citizen of this state and of the USA.

In the same manner, obeying the laws of Torah, including The Ten Commandments, was merely the act of a responsible member of the Hebrew nation. But they considered it as no more a means of obtaining eternal life than we would consider obeying the laws of the states and nations where we reside to be a means of obtaining eternal life. The obeying of these laws and commandments made the people who obeyed them responsible citizens, and that's all.

It was only under the New Covenant, which didn't come into effect until Christ's death and resurrection, that we see a code of conduct written which has anything whatsoever to do with attaining eternal life (Hebrews 8:1 to 10:14). Only with Christ's sacrifice was the means of our salvation opened to us. And it was specifically designed by God himself so that no human being could have anything to do with it except for his own Son Jesus Christ.

When my wife died on April 15, 2008, our attorney was notified. He went to his safe, got out her will, and filed it with probate court. The legal process took its course from that point. Debts which she had incurred were forgiven, ownership of property was transferred, and memberships were cancelled. It was the end of the contracts and agreements entered into by her; they were now null and void, having been replaced by new contracts and agreements.

In the same way Christ's death and resurrection declared the laws and commandments which had been in effect prior to that time null and void. They would now be replaced with a new set of laws and commandments. But unlike the old set, which dealt only with a person's place and responsibilities in the Jewish society, the new laws and commandments dealt specifically with (1) how does an individual achieve salvation (Romans 3:19 to 5:10), (2) what is to be the mindset of the Christian (Galatians 5:16-26) and (3) how is a Christian to interact with those he sees around him, especially those in need (Matthew 25:31-46).

 

[brinny]

why don't we just rely on the One Who kept the 10 commandments on our behalf?

 

[Lionroot]

How do those verses contradict James 2:10?

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I'm sure you do see a conflict. However we do not get to pick one over the other. Both are true. All scripture is.

 

[Rajni]

I'm sure you do see a conflict. However we do not get to pick one over the other. Both are true. All scripture is.

Yer not gettin' off that easy! Please explain how you reconcile James 2:10 with those other verses.

 

[Lionroot]

Yer not gettin' off that easy! Please explain how you reconcile James 2:10 with those other verses.

How can I reconcile what is not conflicted?

 

[Rajni]

How can I reconcile what is not conflicted?

How could you resist explaining how they're not conflicted?

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[Lionroot]

How could you resist explaining how they're not conflicted?

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The explanation is due from those who hold that they are conflicted. These men teach the same gospel. How can they be in conflict?

Please advise.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yer not gettin' off that easy! Please explain how you reconcile James 2:10 with those other verses.

Better yet, how would the unbelieving Jews of today reconcile it

Young) James 2:10 for whoever the whole/olon <3650> law shall keep, and shall stumble in one [point], he hath become guilty of all

Last time used in Bible

Rotherham) Revelation 16:14 for they are spirits of demons, doing signs, which are to go forth unto the kings of the whole/olhV <3650> habitable land, to gather them together unto the battle of the great day of God the Almighty.--

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G3650 matches the Greek &#8005;&#955;&#959;&#962; (holos), which occurs 112 times in 99 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

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[Rajni]

The explanation is due from those who hold that they are conflicted. These men teach the same gospel. How can they be in conflict?

Please advise.

Okay, sorry for the confusion, lemme backtrack.

In post #447 I had indicated that Scripture teaches that unless one is keeping the law perfectly, one is not keeping it at all.

To which you replied, in post #449, that that was not exactly true, citing 1 John 1:9, 1 John 2:4, and 1 John 3:6.

To which I asked you how those verses were supposed to contradict James 2:10 (the verse to which I alluded in post #447).

To which you responded, in post #506, that you're sure I see a conflict (actually, I didn't see a conflict, which is why I was wondering why you were presenting those verses as though they disagreed with my original James 2:10-inspired statement).

Therefore, since, as you said above, the explanation is due from those who hold that they are conflicted, and you seemed to feel they did in post #449, you will need to explain why you think they are conflicted.

Hope that clears it up -- again, my apologies for the confusion!

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[Lionroot]

I never suggested a conflict. Instead I offered them precisely because they are part of the whole counsel of God, and cannot be in conflict.

If you saw a conflict it's in your interpretation not in the text.

 

[Rajni]

I never suggested a conflict. Instead I offered them precisely because they are part of the whole counsel of God, and cannot be in conflict. If you saw a conflict it's in your interpretation not in the text.

I see...

Then the question becomes,

What did you mean when you said that James 2:10 is "not exactly true"?

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[Lionroot]

I see...

Then the question becomes,

What did you mean when you said that James 2:10 is "not exactly true"?

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The scripture of course is true. I was referencing your interpretation which was not.

 

[Elder 111]

In terms of covenant or contract these words are close. In saying abolished we aren't saying blotted out of memory or annihilated. The words are used to mean that the OC no longer has jusridiction. The obligations of that covenant (contract) has been met and is fullfiled and no longer of assistance in accomplishing anything.

We are speaking of the ten commandments. It is or it is not. Simple. Jesus said what He said, meaning that the Sabbath will still be kept long after His death or not.

 

[Elder 111]

fulfilled means completed. Just as Jesus said. It is finished. Mathew 24 is about the tribulation. Jesus speaking to the house of Isreal. But God has saved a remenant for Himself.

What does this mean? Israel has one set of rules in salvation and gentiles another?

 

[Elder 111]

I think that is some that most don't understand. Doesn't Paul state that God isn't done with the nation or Jews? While on the other hand the church isn't Israel.

How so? Rom 11 would indicate that there is one unit.
19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Rev 12 indicate also that there is one church from Adam to now.
Did not Paul say we are all of Abraham? Did he not say that there is neither Jews nor Greek in Christ. What is your point?

 

[Elder 111]

Is this not what was nailed to the Cross? The law that was fulfilled?

Hebrews 10

1For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

 

[Elder 111]

why don't we just rely on the One Who kept the 10 commandments on our behalf?

And do nothing?