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Now there is a good subject - forgiveness what does it mean. Can the be cheap forgivness? Does it mean that we should forgive an unrepentant un changing person who asks for forgiveness and just continues doing the same stuff? It has been used as a means to do any someone wants on me. Is that right? Is it reasonable to be gun shy on the matter?Yes but it doesn't mean we only need to ask forgiveness one time. And if we don't forgive others our faith is worthless and will save nothing. Is forgiveness not a work that we will be judged by?
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.James referred to the ten, you have implied and stated that he includes all, but that is not in the text.
So the fact that God wrote the ten Himself makes no difference?
Now there is a good subject - forgiveness what does it mean. Can the be cheap forgivness? Does it mean that we should forgive an unrepentant un changing person who asks for forgiveness and just continues doing the same stuff? It has been used as a means to do any someone wants on me. Is that right? Is it reasonable to be gun shy on the matter?
The reason I asked is because the Ark of the covenant is nowhere to be found on earth. but is sighted in heaven after the destruction of the Temple. I'mkinda wondering if it got transported to heaven. I'm not sure what Moses saw to be copied. He must have been some artist to get a detailed picture to the artisans who made it.I'm not sure where the ask that was on earth is. What I do know is that the ark on earth was patterned after the ark that was in heaven. So if the ark on earth had the ten commandments in it, what does that mean about the ark in heaven?
James said this because there was a famine going on and christens were not sending money to the church of Jerusalem. People were starving So yes their faith was useless, he was not saying they were not saved! Here is something for you to think about.And i never said it did. I just said faith without works is not faith because its dead. Only when we have works is that faith alive. And works are more than just charity. Works are everything we do. Our faith is known by our works.
No one here that I know of is teaching that liberty gives the right to sin - Gal 5:13. But the 10 Cs don't have jusridiction in the NC according to Jeremiah and the historical record of Jesus and the early church as recorded in the first 5 books of the NT.The opposite isn't always true, i agree.
The word throughout the NT tells us faith doens't give liberty to break any of the 10 Cs except maybe sabbath (according to Romans 14) The rest are taught in NC teaching.
James said this because there was a famine going on and christens were not sending money to the church of Jerusalem. “People were starving” So yes their faith was useless, he was not saying they were not saved! Here is something for you to think about.
Mark-5:13
5Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
6He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
I'm sorry but I responded to Stryder and you take it to mean something else. I don't ever remember Stryder referring to commandments in the NT that aren't recorded in the OT. My remarks had nothing to do with any remark from you.You keep saying im posting commandments that don't belong in the NC but they come from Jesus and the apostles and are NC doctrine.
It is amazing that you can include these remaks and this Scripture in the same post.Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Whats your point? Faith without works is not true faith. Only those that keep Gods commandments belong to Jesus. The rest are wannabe's according to Christs doctrine.
No one here that I know of is teaching that liberty gives the right to sin - Gal 5:13. But the 10 Cs don't have jusridiction in the NC according to Jeremiah and the historical record of Jesus and the early church as recorded in the first 5 books of the NT.
I think they are as I have already passed the judgement of death and have life and Jesus said so - Jn 5:24 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.We are not judged yet. Our sins are not blotted out yet. One day God will judge every man according to their works.
Nope the righteous have already passed that judgement Jn 5:24.IOW, you don't believe that the blood that Christ shed on the cross of Calvary was sufficient to BLOT out our sins NOW? When do you think this will happen?
Im saying every man will be judged according to His works one day by God. Even us. And we must pray for forgiveness each time we sin and only if we forgive others will we be forgiven ourselves.
I think they are as I have already passed the judgement of death and have life and Jesus said so - Jn 5:24 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
The only commandments I know that Jesus gave were Believe in me, and love your neighbor as yourselfWhat will you accomplish by saying Jesus only gave 2 commandments when he gave more? What will you accomplish by dismissing all of the 10 Cs? Heck Paul actually directly teaches the 5thC with its original promise given to the Jews and teaches the las t6 in numerous places. Everyone has said salvation comes from faith not the law. All some are saying is its Gods will to abstain from fornication, adultery, lying, stealing and covetousness which is taught in the new covenant by Jesus and the apostles throughout the NT. Agree with that and ill gladly agree with you about how only faith saves us, which i do anyway.
Nope the righteous have already passed that judgement Jn 5:24.
The only commandments I know that Jesus gave were “Believe in me, and love your neighbor as yourself”
Now you are on to something!Nothing i said is wrong. Maybe we wont be judged by our works but we will be rewarded according our works. But it does say the dead will be judged by them, maybe thats not us but it could be. As far as forgiveness goes thats already proven.
Now you are on to something!
1 Corinthians 3:15
If any man's work shall be burned , he shall suffer loss : but he himself shall be saved ; yet so as by fire.
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