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Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (4)

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I agree. There is a big hole in your comprehension of Scripturre.

Matthew 23:23 was not written to the Gentiles. Read it carefully and prayerfully. It was written to Scribes and Pharisees... Jewish religious leaders who were required to tithe according to the Mosaic Law.
 
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I don't eat easter eggs, nor dye them. I do not eat easter ham. I do not eat it Sam I am.

Far be it from me to use the passage in Acts 10 to justify eating pork... I have a different passage to use...

1 Timothy 4:1-4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

Now, according to Paul's epistle to Timothy, those who command people to abstain from meats are speaking lies in hypocrisy... having their conscience seared. Paul clearly states that every creature (not some creatures) of God is good and nothing to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving. Whatever meat is laid before me on my table is not to be refused according to the Word of God. So you can cease and desist with your condemning spirit toward me.

I don't eat meat with blood in it. We cook our meat thoroughly. The forbidding of meats with blood was for health reasons.
 
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Question:

Can it be said that one who dwells upon fornication is not truly abstaining from it?

Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
 
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Righteousness does not come from the law. Righteousness comes from Christ and walking in faith.


The law cannot save/justify, sanctify/perfect or make one righteous. All the law can do is condemn and put that person under its curse (Galatians 3:10-12)
 
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The law cannot save/justify, sanctify/perfect or make one righteous. All the law can do is condemn and put that person under its curse (Galatians 3:10-12)

Not so.
The law shows us the right way to go, the right way to love, keeps us out of the ditch and spares us and everyone around us a lot of pain.
God's law is the foundation of righteousness and godly living.
 
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If the answer is yes then it would also mean he who dwells on love or faith is not loving or living in faith. Paul dwelt on fornication when teaching holiness and he was abstaining from it because its just as much Gods will as loving thy neighbor or having faith in the Lord. You want to remove fornication from the debate because your theology is in conflict with it and it proves the law exists but your misguided theology says it doesn't.
 
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I don't think thats clear at all. But even if the man was mocking Jesus, was Jesus mocking the man when Jesus said "if thou will enter life obey the commandments"?
No Jesus wasn't mocking the young man. Jesus was giving the answer he demanded and didn't like. Jesus clearly revealed the young man wasn't a doer of the law.
 
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No Jesus wasn't mocking the young man. Jesus was giving the answer he demanded and didn't like. Jesus clearly revealed the young man wasn't a doer of the law.



You didn't like the answer Jesus gave either. He said obey the commandments. And Its obvious that Paul teaches us to keep those same commandments throughout the NT. Your denial is remarkably incessant and your theology seems contentious, argumentative and illogical.
 
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Well it sure ain't cause we're being told to not do those things. I don't see a command. Those things are naturally taked care of by loving. You're desperate to prove that we are obligated to the law and resote to saying that incidence is obedience.
 
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well it sure ain cause we're being told to not do those things. I don't see a command. Those things are naturally taked care of by loving. You're desperate to prove that we are obligated to the law and resote to saying that incidence is obedience.



Thats not true. Paul repeatedly teaches these things throughout the NT and strongly urges us multiple times to comply. We can't teach part of the Gospel and not the whole doctrine.
 
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Do you know anything besides ad hominem? It is getting pretty stale.
 
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Nope it is just that I don't agree with you. And so you continue to insult me. I don't submit to intimidation or manipulation. Your approach will never work on me. And it isn't me that is embarassing.


Im not insulting you. But i know what being labeled and insulted feels like.
 
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Thats not true. Paul repeatedly teaches these things throughout the NT and strongly urges us multiple times to comply. We can't teach part of the Gospel and not the whole doctrine.
There is only one place that I know Paul teach the law and it isn't to Christians, it is to children Eph 6. Every where else Paul uses the law as a launching pad for his teaching. Paul uses the familiar to teach from. This is far different than teaching required observance.

Listen you can agravate me all you wish. I won't cave in. Salvation and maintainece of it is by faith alone - Gal 3:1-3.
 
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Not so.
The law shows us the right way to go, the right way to love, keeps us out of the ditch and spares us and everyone around us a lot of pain.
God's law is the foundation of righteousness and godly living.
What the Old Testament Law Cannot Do:

It cannot justify (Acts 13:38-39; Galatians 2:16).
It cannot redeem (Romans 3:24-31; Galatians 3:13-14).
It cannot give an inheritance (Romans 4:13-14).
It cannot control sin in man (Romans 7:7-23; 8:2).
It cannot free from sin and death (Romans 8:2).
It cannot free a sinner from condemnation (Romans 8:1-4).
It cannot bring righteousness (Romans 8:4).
It cannot impart the Holy Spirit (Galatians 3:2).
It cannot free from the curse (Galatians 3:10,14).
It cannot impart grace (Galatians 5:4).
It cannot enable a man to obey (Hebrews 7:18).
It cannot make perfect (Hebrews 7:19).

As the above Scripture states, the law is unable to do more than it is able to do.

The purpose of the law is to reveal sin and lead men to Christ. (Romans 3:19-20; 7:12-13; 1Timothy 1:9-10; Galatians 3:24-25).

What are the requirements of the Old Testament Law? Galatians 3:10 speaks of a two-fold requirement:

Continual obedience and obedience in all things. (Deuteronomy 11:22; 27:26; James 2:10)

This is why no man can have righteousness through the law; as sinners we cannot fulfill its high demands.
 
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Ok then.
 
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