Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (4)

Studious One · May 29, 2011

Exodus35 Do you pay tithes? said:
No Sir. You are taking away from the word. You are teaching men to break the commandments. Paul was sent to the gentiles, remember? Your reference to Acts 15 is lacking - in that the chapter is about circumcision of the heart and that salvation isn't obtained or retained by circumcision of the flesh. You see that God didn't do away with circumcision - it was taken from the circumcision of the flesh to circumcision of the heart by the Spirit - being sealed by the Holy Spirit. Those who are walking in the Spirit will keep God's commands.

No, I do not pay tithes. I am not required to tithe for several reasons.

I am not taking away from the Word at all.

Acts 15 is not about circumcision of the heart. I suggest you go back and study that chapter more carefully.

The Council was wanting the new Gentile converts to be circumcised after the manner of Moses (the flesh of the foreskin, not the heart ref. Gen 17) AND to keep the law of Moses. They wanted the converts circumcised and ordered to keep the Mosaic Law.

And the Holy Spirit said "NO"

11822 · May 29, 2011

from scratch said:
I don't think that anyone here is fighting the commandments at all. If that was all we were doing we would never offer the alternative of grace and the leading of the Spirit which is being rejected. So I might ask why are some fighting the leading of the Spirit so hard? If salvation doesn't depend on following the law why is it considered a sin to violate any of them? Is it another issue to which an allusion to at least has been cast?

Who said it is God's will for us to perform any of the activities you mention? No one that I recall. The idea is presented by the law crowd and not the grace pushers. No grace pusher that I've seen has done such. Why is this? Could it be part of the fruits of the Spirit in action?

First off, grace and commandment are taught together in the NT. Someone needs to do the heavy lifting. You think i like being accused every day of being a law pusher? Its easy for you because you take the easy message and im forced to carry the burdensome task of picking up the slack. The holy Spirit rejoices in the truth and thats all i post. Maybe you should be careful about who you say is resisting the Holy Spirit.

Exodus35 · May 29, 2011

from scratch said:
Incidence isn't obedience. My non religious neighbor does most of the law but if you were to approach him with what he deos as obeying the law he would go what? So if every body does it then what is the deal? It must be that everybody doesn't do it or IPO does it involuntarily. If that is so then you have no postion, basis or platform to make a case.

Since you have made a classic SDA speech, why is it that you don't show that faith icon? Is saying one is an SDA saying that they aren't a Christian? The only people or animals I know of that hide in some respect either sinned or are deceiving some one and both are acts of sin. There is no accusation in what I have presented. I only asked a fair question and made a general observation based on personal experience.

I'm not SDA. Why don't you have "hater of God's law" as your faith icon? The accusation about what sin is came from Paul. Paul said that sin is transgression of the law. If you have a problem with that, just tear that from your bible and go make yourself an idol to bow down to.

And for your question about your "non-religious" friends.
"For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another" - Romans 2:14-15

11822 · May 29, 2011

Studious One said:
Acts 15 is not about circumcision of the heart. I suggest you go back and study that chapter more carefully.

The Council was wanting the new Gentile converts to be circumcised after the manner of Moses (the flesh of the foreskin, not the heart ref. Gen 17) AND to keep the law of Moses. They wanted the converts circumcised and ordered to keep the Mosaic Law.

And the Holy Spirit said "NO"

Whos talking about circumcision of the heart?

from scratch · May 29, 2011

Exodus35 said:
Studious One said:

Scripture says no more is to be laid upon the Gentile Believers. One adds to the Word of God to try to say we must keep the commandments written in the Mosaic Law. John reveals that those that add to the Word of God will have the plagues of the book added to them.

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Question: Do you pay tithes?

No Sir. You are taking away from the word. You are teaching men to break the commandments. Paul was sent to the gentiles, remember? Your reference to Acts 15 is lacking - in that the chapter is about circumcision of the heart and that salvation isn't obtained or retained by circumcision of the flesh. You see that God didn't do away with circumcision - it was taken from the circumcision of the flesh to circumcision of the heart by the Spirit - being sealed by the Holy Spirit. Those who are walking in the Spirit will keep God's commands.

Circumcision of the heart doesn't appear in Acts anywhere. You may be referring to Romans 2. Your statement shows that you're just saying stuff you heard. Well I'm not real sure bout cause you probably have circumcised ears to go with that circumcised heart. Paul isn't pro circumcision. In fact he is quotable as saying circumcision profits one nothing. In fact he even calls his dung. How could anything apply to both the circumcised and the uncircumcised such as faith in regards to salvation?

11822 · May 29, 2011

from scratch said:
What are all our Scriptural obligations to God?

You don't know by now?

11822 · May 29, 2011

from scratch said:
Circumcision of the heart doesn't appear in Acts anywhere. You may be referring to Romans 2. Your statement shows that you're just saying stuff you heard. Well I'm not real sure bout cause you probably have circumcised ears to go with that circumcised heart. Paul isn't pro circumcision. In fact he is quotable as saying circumcision profits one nothing. In fact he even calls his dung. How could anything apply to both the circumcised and the uncircumcised such as faith in regards to salvation?

What are you doing? First you guys said all the law was dead. Then you said fornication and adultery were not forbidden in the NC. Much like the theory of evolution, your theory keeps evolving as the data comes in disproving that theory. As we dig deeper into the rhetorical fossil record of the word, theres no sign of the "missing link" and the theory keeps evolving.

Exodus35 · May 29, 2011

from scratch said:
Circumcision of the heart doesn't appear in Acts anywhere. You may be referring to Romans 2. Your statement shows that you're just saying stuff you heard. Well I'm not real sure bout cause you probably have circumcised ears to go with that circumcised heart. Paul isn't pro circumcision. In fact he is quotable as saying circumcision profits one nothing. In fact he even calls his dung. How could anything apply to both the circumcised and the uncircumcised such as faith in regards to salvation?

No one said that circumcision had anything to do with salvation. Acts 15 is referring to the circumcision of the flesh in reguards to salvation and is said to profit nothing for salvation. Obeying God is the fruit of salvation, not the root. The root of salvation (if you have been reading all of the posts, you would know) is believing in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus. The fruit of salvation is walking in his righteousness. His righteousness (that unregenerated man could not do because of the hardness of his heart) is found in his commands. Paul doesn't call the law dung. He calls his fleshly attempts at righteousness dung.

Studious One said:
No, I do not pay tithes. I am not required to tithe for several reasons.
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Do you eat your meat medium or rare? Do you participate in Easter traditions? Do you celebrate Christmas? Do you celebrate the new year in January?

from scratch · May 29, 2011

11822 said:
First off, grace and commandment are taught together in the NT. Someone needs to do the heavy lifting. You think i like being accused every day of being a law pusher? Its easy for you because you take the easy message and im forced to carry the burdensome task of picking up the slack. The holy Spirit rejoices in the truth and thats all i post. Maybe you should be careful about who you say is resisting the Holy Spirit.

Please explain. Here is what God's Word says - But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

As far as taking it easy I'm from the south and a Yankee too. But NTL listen to Jesus, He offers the easy way - 28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

It certianly suits me just fine. Thanks. You can take the hard way and lose. It is guaranteed and by Jesus Mat 5:20.

11822 · May 29, 2011

Exodus35 said:
No one said that circumcision had anything to do with salvation.

Perhaps it serves to change the subject and cloud the discussion with argumentative immaterial evidence.

11822 · May 29, 2011

from scratch said:
Please explain. Here is what God's Word says - But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

As far as taking it easy I'm from the south and a Yankee too. But NTL listen to Jesus, He offers the easy way - 28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

It certianly suits me just fine. Thanks. You can take the hard way and lose. It is guaranteed and by Jesus Mat 5:20.

Thats not all it says. Ill get the slack , don't worry.

from scratch · May 29, 2011

Exodus35 said:
I'm not SDA. Why don't you have "hater of God's law" as your faith icon? The accusation about what sin is came from Paul. Paul said that sin is transgression of the law. If you have a problem with that, just tear that from your bible and go make yourself an idol to bow down to.

First I said your post was classic SDA. I didn't say you were.

Second sin was in the world prior to the law - Rom 5:13

Third the law was added because of sin and has expired because the Seed came - Gal 3:19

Fourth we're delivered from the law - Rom 7:6.

Fifth we're told to throw the law out - Gal 4:30.

Sixth truth and grace came by Jesus Christ and not the law - Jn 1:17.

Seventh the Christian isn't under condemnation - Rom 8:1.

Eight The law I subscribe to is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus - Rom 8:2

Ninth the Spirit does what the law could never do - Rom 8:3

Tenth Jesus said that the righteousness of the law won't qualify you for eternal life Mat 5:20.

And for your question about your "non-religious" friends.
"For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another" - Romans 2:14-15

Then this whole thing is not sequitir. Did the gentiles observe the sabbath? No and I'm not speaking of the proselyte. If so why do we have Roman 14 an col 2:16? Did the Gentiles practice circumcision? If so what was the issue over the Jews who had no authority demand it? They weren't even authorized to demand anything else of the law from the Apostles per Acts 15.

You sure are pushing the SDA mantra whether or not you're affiliated.

11822 · May 29, 2011

from scratch said:
First I said your post was classic SDA. I didn't say you were.

You sure are pushing the SDA mantra whether or not you're affiliated.

You said the same thing about me. According to your definition the majority of Christians would be SDA. You really seem to like labels. Did you get your law hater icon yet?

from scratch · May 29, 2011

11822 said:
Thats not all it says. Ill get the slack , don't worry.

Hey I'm not worried one itty, bitty bit. Jesus' offer still stands.

Studious One · May 29, 2011

Exodus35 said:
Do you eat your meat medium or rare? Do you participate in Easter traditions? Do you celebrate Christmas? Do you celebrate the new year in January?

1. Well done.
2. There are many Easter traditions, which one are you referring to?
3. No
4. No, I don't celebrate the New Year. I don't celebrate the first of February, the first of March, the first of April, the first of May, the first of June, the first of July, the first of August, the first of September, the first of October, the first of November, nor the first of December.

Any more questions that have nothing to do with the topic of this thread?

from scratch · May 29, 2011

11822 said:
What are you doing? First you guys said all the law was dead. Then you said fornication and adultery were not forbidden in the NC. Much like the theory of evolution, your theory keeps evolving as the data comes in disproving that theory. As we dig deeper into the rhetorical fossil record of the word, theres no sign of the "missing link" and the theory keeps evolving.

Please quote the record as found on this site about such. Only cause it is ignored.

11822 · May 29, 2011

Studious One said:
1. Well done.
2. There are many Easter traditions, which one are you referring to?
3. No
4. No, I don't celebrate the New Year. I don't celebrate the first of February, the first of March, the first of April, the first of May, the first of June, the first of July, the first of August, the first of September, the first of October, the first of November, nor the first of December.

Any more questions that have nothing to do with the topic of this thread?

He was just answering scratches question that had nothing to do with the thread. You seem to be complaining to the wrong guy.

11822 · May 29, 2011

from scratch said:
Please quote the record as found on this site about such. Only cause it is ignored.

Why? you would just ignore it.

from scratch · May 29, 2011

Exodus35 said:
No one said that circumcision had anything to do with salvation. Acts 15 is referring to the circumcision of the flesh in reguards to salvation and is said to profit nothing for salvation. Obeying God is the fruit of salvation, not the root. The root of salvation (if you have been reading all of the posts, you would know) is believing in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus. The fruit of salvation is walking in his righteousness. His righteousness (that unregenerated man could not do because of the hardness of his heart) is found in his commands. Paul doesn't call the law dung. He calls his fleshly attempts at righteousness dung.

So who did call the law dung? It wasn't Paul and it wasn't me either.

What does obeying God mean as if I don't know? It seems to me you're saying 2 different things. You is jus messin wid me. Ain't ya?

Studious One said:
No, I do not pay tithes. I am not required to tithe for several reasons.

Exodus35 said:
Do you eat your meat medium or rare? Do you participate in Easter traditions? Do you celebrate Christmas? Do you celebrate the new year in January?

Hey I'm currious, got any Italian in you? Bet he doesn't eat meat medium rare, but does up a slab of ribs not and then on the que.

Studious One · May 29, 2011

11822 said:
He was just answering scratches question that had nothing to do with the thread. You seem to be complaining to the wrong guy.

Go back and read that post again... he asked me those questions.

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